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Well i was right girls its docs at it again and my bro tell me you're about 95% spot on to what you said above, actually you're very kind to them because after what my bro told me about them i would have used harsher words. bye

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Yes Cathy you were dead right but lets face it you had a head start having a Brother as a Lawyer.
Is it possible for any Lawyer in QLD to not have had bad dealing with DOCS.? No (For ones that don't know DOCS is Department of Child Safety)

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Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT

Yes Cathy you were dead right but lets face it you had a head start having a Brother as a Lawyer.
Is it possible for any Lawyer in QLD to not have had bad dealing with DOCS.? No (For ones that don't know DOCS is Department of Child Safety)


On the ball dude
Actually my bro like docs as ever since he moved up this way he has been busy making money because of them sorting their rubbish out and the worst thing about it most of the times is they getaway with it. bye

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Makes very interesting readings.
I have a friend thats a cop and he tells a very similar story that they're a law to their own.

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This problem with them is Australia wide not just QLD, My friend tells me the police are sick of the way that some of them behave.
Locally in Sydney there was a case that brewed for a while where a Lawyer was accused of Child Abuse. He lost his Practice, He Lost his Children but at a later day it was proven in court that Dchs in NSW lied and framed the guy, yes this also made interesting readings in he paper and he is now suing the state Government for millions and so he should.

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Yes jaremt you are correct, but some how the Department of Child Safety in QLD is getting all the attention at the moment.

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I would like to comment about Child Safety and the problems we had with them.
My sister works or better still use to work for Child Safety in QLD and approximately four years ago we had a fall out because of our children and she put the department of child safety onto us.
What happened to us was unbelievable as one afternoon we get a knock on the door I open the door and there were two young ladies to greet me but for me not knowing one was a Police officer from the child police called JAB and the other was a officer from the department of child safety or as some call them child safety.

I invited them in as we did not know what it was all about but within minutes they took one by one our children to one of the bedrooms and interviewed them and as a single mother of four with my husband that was deceased one year earlier I was about to get a shock of my life what was going on.

See my sister via another person that she knew put a complaint in that I was abusing my children which I wasn't the Police and the child safety officer interviewed me, shocked me with the lies that came out of her mouth and within minutes I had my four children removed from my house all because of a false allegation started by the venomous mouth of my sister all because we had a fall out because of our children fighting.
I won't get into detail but I lost my Children for two years, It cost my father over $11,000 in legal fees to prove in a court of law that there never was child abuse of any kind.
Did I ever get a apology? NO, Did my sister ever be bought to justice for what she did? NO! reason, she was protected by the child safety act 1999.
The author of this thread is so correct, the public today have not got a clue how powerful child safety is today, and I believe that they are above the law as do you ever hear of any of them being bought to justice because example my sister lied to have children removed. Do you the public know whats it like? it bad enough I lost my husband a year earlier but to lose my children all because of a bitch of a sister that failed twice to join the police service so she decide to join child safety to ruin people lives.
The department of child safety today have too much power and I have to agree to what you say and what I was told by my lawyer that you will meet some of the most arrogant people on the earth and you are correct, they're all women.
By the way they need no evidence whatsoever to do this. mad

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just i wanted to ask 1 more thing helen why did your Sister do that sorry to say but thats pure EVIL frown that was an upseting story

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Originally Posted by TVSAT
just i wanted to ask 1 more thing helen why did your Sister do that sorry to say but thats pure EVIL frown that was an upseting story



Mate you need to understand that this the Department of Child Safety is a department to try to keep away from.If you really hate someone forget ringing the cops, forget ringing the council about a barking dog, forget ringing Centrelink or the Taxation Department just ring DOCS.
You make up a good story about child abuse against the person you hate because his dog pissed on you wheels and if you happen to be a man these bunch of men hating ZEALOTS will charge to you place of dwelling and find any excuse to remove you or you Children from your house
Please all do a Google and type in Dept Of Child Safety and get a shock of the amount of complaints that have been put in against them. They have ongoing royal commissions going against them, just ring any lawyer in QLD and ask him or her what you think of them and if he or she has time you will get a ear bashing from the lawyer and the next question from the lawyer will be what have they done to you.
PLEASE if you know A lawyer just ask his or her opinion about DOCS.

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Originally Posted by Helen


I would like to comment about Child Safety and the problems we had with them.
My sister works or better still use to work for Child Safety in QLD and approximately four years ago we had a fall out because of our children and she put the department of child safety onto us.
What happened to us was unbelievable as one afternoon we get a knock on the door I open the door and there were two young ladies to greet me but for me not knowing one was a Police officer from the child police called JAB and the other was a officer from the department of child safety or as some call them child safety.

I invited them in as we did not know what it was all about but within minutes they took one by one our children to one of the bedrooms and interviewed them and as a single mother of four with my husband that was deceased one year earlier I was about to get a shock of my life what was going on.

See my sister via another person that she knew put a complaint in that I was abusing my children which I wasn't the Police and the child safety officer interviewed me, shocked me with the lies that came out of her mouth and within minutes I had my four children removed from my house all because of a false allegation started by the venomous mouth of my sister all because we had a fall out because of our children fighting.
I won't get into detail but I lost my Children for two years, It cost my father over $11,000 in legal fees to prove in a court of law that there never was child abuse of any kind.
Did I ever get a apology? NO, Did my sister ever be bought to justice for what she did? NO! reason, she was protected by the child safety act 1999.
The author of this thread is so correct, the public today have not got a clue how powerful child safety is today, and I believe that they are above the law as do you ever hear of any of them being bought to justice because example my sister lied to have children removed. Do you the public know whats it like? it bad enough I lost my husband a year earlier but to lose my children all because of a bitch of a sister that failed twice to join the police service so she decide to join child safety to ruin people lives.
The department of child safety today have too much power and I have to agree to what you say and what I was told by my lawyer that you will meet some of the most arrogant people on the earth and you are correct, they're all women.
By the way they need no evidence whatsoever to do this. mad


Helen
Good to hear from you and as one that has been abused by the Department Of Child Safety I can say that my Children are still at home only because I involved other professional people and NO they weren't lawyers and they assisted us to tackle these monsters.
Actually most of the people that I have spoken to over the internet that have been ripped apart by docs have been Women and some of the stories are very sad even one simple case were a young baby broke her hand while falling out of a bassinet and the quacks at the Hospital suspected the mother or father broke the arm and without any evidence the STORM TROOPERS Charge through their house removing all the children.
I don't know the full story but one day maybe I will find out but the main problem with DOCS is today is once they're at your door you virtually have to lick their arse in everything and if you STAND up to them which most parents would do this will be the end of you not unless you're ready for an expensive dirty fight with them.

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Helen
Good to hear from you and as one that has been abused by the Department Of Child Safety I can say that my Children are still at home only because I involved other professional people and NO they weren't lawyers and they assisted us to tackle these monsters.
Actually most of the people that I have spoken to over the internet that have been ripped apart by docs have been Women and some of the stories are very sad even one simple case were a young baby broke her hand while falling out of a bassinet and the quacks at the Hospital suspected the mother or father broke the arm and without any evidence the STORM TROOPERS Charge through their house removing all the children.
I don't know the full story but one day maybe I will find out but the main problem with DOCS is today is once they're at your door you virtually have to lick their arse in everything and if you STAND up to them which most parents would do this will be the end of you not unless you're ready for an expensive dirty fight with them.


Spot on dude spot on, Are you practicing law? if not you have been doing some researching.
Actually my bro's is starting to like you for standing up to these pigs.
Good on you mate! I see that the hits & reads are up,up, and away ever since you exposed who this scourge is.
By the way,I've never had anything to do with them I just sit at the Dinner table on Sundays with my bro and his wife who also works with him and this about docs seems to always come up DOCS,DOCS,DOCS,Family Courts, Family Courts its all he ever talks about.

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Seriously i don't get why those dumbbums do that ? they Should BURN IN HELL mad

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Originally Posted by TVSAT
Seriously i don't get why those dumbbums do that ? they Should BURN IN HELL mad


As my bro has explained to me we have a Family services department called DOCS and this department has been give excessive powers after a royal commission about child abuse in foster care back If I remember correctly he said around 2003.
My bro has told me that the pendulum has swung to far the other way were this DOCS is out of control and like I hate gov says they're untouchable as its just about impossible to sue them when they make a mistake.
The problem with them is not the mistakes its when they deliberately go out of their way to cause problems and one of their favorite tricks is lying.
Now please remember this is coming from my brother who is a Solicitor in the Gold Coast area.

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Cathy
If they only stuck to the truth all of us unfortunates that have dealt with them wouldn't have a problem but their problem is they always want to add thick icing to their story.
In simple words they LIE!!

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Actually I did a Google on them last night and it came up will just under 1 million links about this Department of Child Safety and you guessed it right up the top there are sites galore with stories about them.
I spent just over an hour reading some of the stories mind you I was only up to page 12 on google and i had enough.
How do these fucking bitches get away with this?.

On some of the sites do a archives check for them.

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Actually this one made me laugh the most, found on a news site.

Federal Police, You need the Department of Child Safety for help.

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 14:04.

* Family issues

We all have been reading the papers and watching the news and following the story behind the arrest of Doctor Mohamed Haneef at Brisbane airport as he tried to board a plane with a one way ticket to India. Now our Federal Police have tried their little hearts out to find evidence so they can charge him and it has taken twelve days before finally finding a charge that would stick so he could be held indefinitely. I must say that there must be a level of honestly in the Federal police as they were getting desperate to find evidence to charge him and they did not try to frame him or in other words SET HIM UP!!!
Now if the Federal Police are reading this may I suggest you ring up the Department of Child Safety with there buddies from JAB (Juvenile Aid Bureau) next time especially if you hold another suspected terrorist, but this time you do not find any evidence whatsoever even if you hold the person for months, DOCS and JAB will help you to charge him as they have this statement called the 93A statement where a child can put an complaint against you and even when the JAB police investigate you they might even find things in your favour to prove you are innocent but at the end of the day they will charge you and to make it even worse they will even charge you when they have not even interviewed you at any time or you are not present. Mind you I have been told by others that the Department of Child Safety does put pressure on the JAB Police to charge a person even if NO EVIDENCE, yes I will repeat it again in case if you have missed it or you sneezed whilst reading this NO EVEDINCE WHATSOEVER, but they will still charge you just because a kid can speak into a tape recorder or sit in front of a video camera (93A) and say to the police that the person did this and did that to me and to make it even worse after your solicitor has listened or viewed the so called evidence (93 A Statement) your solicitor notices the story from the complaintant has a tendency to change from date to date. So Federal Police, if you want to charge another person next time and you hold that person for weeks and this time you find absolutely no evidence just ring DOCS next time for help and they will help you to find evidence to charge the person and when you tell them (DOCS) that you have none they will have no trouble planting some or lying to say differently.
You wonder why there is going to be a Royal Commission against DOCS.
Mind you with all crime committed today the police look for evidence to charge a person “eg” finger prints, DNA, Video surveillance, Statements given from independent witnesses, Phone records, bank account records, accurate time records and many others to link a person to the crime committed and with that evidence they charge the person but when it come to children putting a complaint in because you told them to piss off from your house and keep away from your kids the police only use this 93A statement to have you charged without any evidence even after the child did not want to be medically examined but was medically examined by force and NOTHING was found.
So go for it Federal Police just get a 93A statement and you will have him next time a lot quicker.

The Laws need to be Changed, DOCS CSO’s need to be accountable for their lies, and not protected by the Child Safety ACT so you cannot sue them, thank God for the CMC the fun is about to start.

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And this is just another of the many sites that tell the same story.

http://au.messages.yahoo.com/news/localnews-qld/11136/

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I have been doing some research myself and it seems that most of the complaints are Queensland based.

I think it would be a good idea to have a poll to see what office's get the most complaints against them but my opinion is most today would be too scared to join any forum regarding these type of matters..
Do you know how many new members have joined and not posted yet? Can they poll but not post?.

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Originally Posted by ew_289

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I think it would be a good idea to have a poll to see what office's get the most complaints against them but my opinion is most today would be too scared to join any forum regarding these type of matters..
Do you know how many new members have joined and not posted yet? Can they poll but not post?.


As for a poll I will be doing that at a later date, I will poll over a dozen offices maybe more if needed and you will be able to vote on who do you think is the worst office in QLD.

As for polling itself yes you can poll and never post so out of all DOCS abused people that have joined and never posted all can poll but don't have to post. All that is required is one simple tick in a box.


As for being to scared to post yes that can be the case as we have over 50 that have joined, 9 have PM'd me and I think only two have posted so far. Others that have posted don't have issues personally with DOCS. l_sabre


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Others that have posted don't have issues personally with DOCS. l_sabre



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My first letter to a public forum and you can guess what the topic is about its that Government department called child safety in Queensland that has a habit of removing Children from school all because of false allegations.

See i don't know who put the complaint in but one day I will find out but I for one cannot believe how this child safety has a hide to come to your children's school drag them to the head masters office and interrogates them like criminals.
Mind you my three children are under 12 and they were traumatised in front of a coward head master that allowed a tape recorder shoved into their faces and the head master was too gutless to protect them or even say a word.
All this is new for me as this only happened a few days ago and I am asking are they allowed to do this? I rang legal aid and the lady said they can do what they want and she said please get a good Lawyer and she hung up so what answer is that?.

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Welcome to this forum but if you have come here means you have a problem.
The Department of Child safety has been given excessive powers and some of the NAZI ZEALOT, HAIL! HITLER BITCHES FROM HELL enjoy every bit of it especially if its against men and they enjoy nothing better than removing a father from his home EVEN if there is no evidence of child abuse.
How they do this is by intimidation "EG" They say to your wife if your Husband doesn't leave we will remove your children (STEAL THEM FROM SCHOOL THE NEXT DAY).
I have a lot to write about the JAB Police but that will be at a later date mid next year.
As for them coming to school and interrogating your children I am sorry to say this Feminist pig of a Department has been given the Legal rights to come to your kids school, interrogate your kids and even STEAL THEM without you knowing.
Now The police today have a Code where anyone can be charged with child stealing and it known as CODE 363 (Child–stealing) which the Department of Child safety is exempt off.
See The Department of Child Safety is Exempt from a lot of our laws and can bully their way into your lives if any complaint is put in even if its very minor and if you rub them up the wrong way or if you are a man thats all they need to start a vendetta against you. OOhhh and don't they like lying to get their own way.
As for the useless headmaster I know of one case where a male Head Master was threatened by a JAB COP present with the DOCS bitch because he had to be present during a child interview or better still interrogation and he objected to the way the child was being interviewed.
DOCS and JAB put an official complaint against him to Queensland Education.
Sorry if I sound a little Sexist but this is the way it is DOCS is made up of mostly Women like around 90% and so is JAB (just a little under) and for any unfortunate person that has had to deal with these gangsters you also will come up with this assumption.
Do you know DOCS is trying to get new powers where they can kick your front door in if you refuse them entry without the police (JAB) being present. What they want to do is employ I would expect men of a physical build to be their heavies so they can charge through the front door of your house. The police via the government has totally refused to allow this to happen, just as well there is some decency around. If someone kicks your front door in I don't give a fuck who you are, I will do anything and so would the average family man and woman to protect themselves and their families. I don't give a flying fuck what badge they flash because people doing home invasions have been using this ploy where they kick the front door in and say they are customs or whatever but they are nothing but home invaders. Could you imagine DOCS getting the power to kick your front door in? I could just imagine the bullies kick the door in and the lesbian bitches stay well back until the dust is settled. Many I know today for whatever reasons after seeing all the home invasions today that are going on, are well protected for this type of activity.

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One thing I have noticed is in the last 12 months I have been contacted via PM's by over 12 new members that have not posted yet and they are all women.

Com'on guys pull your finger out! Don't let the poor girls do all your dirty work.
And on another note I find it repulsive if a man deserts his wife and kids when things are a little tough.
You all stick together in times of need not just piss off and let the wife face these monsters.
I would prefer to DIE 100 time than to give up and bring DOCS to justice one day.

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I was very upset yesterday when I wrote the above but after spending some time reading all what you have here i decided to ring a lawyer and i have made a appointment to she him.
Over the phone he said to me some of the exact things that you have printed here of what to do and not to do when dealing with DoChs.
Here goes our money that I put away for a family holiday, spending it on a Lawyer because of one that lied and a aggressive DoChs worker.

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Please do not trust any of your phones, The Police today have ways to tape a conversation without asking your permission or getting a court order.
Please ask your lawyer immediately about this matter of recording of your phone calls and he will confirm what I am saying is true.
DON'T trust anybody. Your best friend could be your enemy

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I have just been reading through this post regarding peoples' comments on DoCS Qld. (And in some cases - other States).

Though I understand the anger and resentment that these individuals feel at having their children stolen by the Dept, I am concerned at the way they deal with the situation.

I firmly believe that the Dept wants families to become angry and bitter and vengeful etc because then they can USE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR shown by parents AS AN EXCUSE TO FURTHER HARASS AND PERSECUTE THEM.

As families undergoing child protection investigations and so on, we need to be very careful how we relate to the Dept. I believe there is a far better outcome through being civil, polite, assertive, professional and so on. I know this is hard at times, particularly if the DoCS workers are not showing the same attitudes, but for the sake of your case and the emotional security of your children it is vitally important.

We as parents need to fight for a change of attitude from the Department. Often this means changing our attitudes first. (Even if we hate the idea!) I am not talking about giving in!!!!!!
No, I'm talking about exerting our rights as parents and demanding that the Department, the Foster Care Agencies, the Foster Parents and ourselves WORK IN PARTNERSHIP.

PARTNERSHIP - yes the word sounds frightening, particularly when applied to DoCS, but this I firmly believe is the way of the future if we WANT TO SEE POSITIVE CHANGES IN THE WAY CHILD
PROTECTION WORKS IN AUSTRALIA.

Partnership brings about positive results and its good for the kids. They are after all, the most important people in the whole DoCS vs parents issue.

Please don't think I am pro DoCS, or crazy. I too have had negative dealings with DoCS (NSW). My son is still in care due to the terrible things that DoCS did at Court and to us. But I am now in a position where I am working very hard to build better relationships with all that are involved in my son's case - Foster Agency, Foster Carers, and yes DoCS as well. MY SITUATION (AND THAT OF MY SON) IS ACTUALLY IMPROVING BECAUSE OF THIS.
Now I am being invited by Child Protection Agencies, including DoCS equivalents in other States, to come and talk to their workers about important issues such as - Working with parents; how it feels to be a parent in the Child Protection system and how to best work in Partnership together.

This is a first for parents like us - to actually be listened to and not written of as "dead beat" parents as one politician so charmingly described us!!
I also had the opportunity to speak at a National Child Welfare Conference about the Parent Perspective in Child Protection, by telling my own story and stressing the importance of working with parents in Partnership and not against them. And yes, there were DoCS workers, Foster Care Agencies and Legal Representatives at this meeting. TALK ABOUT POWER 4 PARENTS!!! Now it is actually happening.

Sorry for the long posting, but please consider what I have said.

If you do have problems with anger and dealing with DoCS, and it is affecting your life - please seek counselling. Often our anger at DoCS is more about grief and loss than actually all out anger. Losing a child to DoCS is a horrible experience and of course we are all going to have strong emotions about this. If we lost our child due to death - there would be lots of support and compassion, but when it is through DoCS we get no support, only the labels of - child abuser, you deserve it, "dead beat" parent and so on. What a horrible thing to do to someone, particularly if their child's removal was due to circumstances that were not child abuse or deliberate neglect.

If you would like to discuss your situation, want some information on Court Processes or tips on how to work with DoCS please consider calling the Family Inclusion Network (FIN - NSW) on 0450 521 610.
This organisation has been specifically set up (by parents and supportive professionals) to assist parents with kids in out-of-home care or at risk of losing kids into care because of DoCS. It is not run by DoCS! There are also branches in Qld, WA, ACT and SA. Victoria is hoping to start one soon. There is also a National FIN organisation called FIN Australia which all State Branches belong to.
Please email me if you want more info.
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welcome jenmaz

Good to hear your opinion about DoCS and any matter regarding our children and also thanks for your long informative posting. I will keep mine very brief because mine is still in the stewing pot but when you have a department of child safety officer that clearly lied we have the transcripts and the tape recordings to prove it and when you have a JAB police officer who unlawfully said something something something (unable to disclose at this time), yes she admitted it whilst sitting in the chair in a court of law.

I will never work with the department of child safety... I will spend the rest of my life doing whatever is necessary to bring these monsters to justice and there will be a way, even if they are protected by the act. I will do it my way via more lawyers and private investigators. No one has a right whilst in power working for a government department say like DOCS to blatantly lie. How stupid of her, didn't she think we could get a copy of this recording? See the department of child safety tried to steal our children and tried to threaten us with a court order but when we told them to go and get it, they backed off.

This is an utter disgrace. Its bad enough having a DOCS officer lying, massively lying, massively outrageously lying, but to have a police officer also bending the rules to be caught out. Again, I will get my legal revenge one way or the other, you can't expect to let this scum get away with it. Like I said I would prefer to die a hundred times but I won't back off.

Its sad jenmaz to have your children taken off you but if you did wrong you deserve it, but could you imagine having your children taken off you on a false allegation? And when DOCS come to your door, you rub them up the wrong way as you have a right to do to protect your family and these bastards start their lying shit only to inflame the situation. I do not trust anyone and I will not be receiving any help from anyone else outside my solicitor, my barrister, a new legal team and my private investigator. This is the way you become in this sort of shit, you get to a point where you can't trust anyone anymore.

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I got to give you the thumbs up mate for sticking this info on a public forum mate so everybody can read it as my wife tells me her friend at work is a member of another site which is not public and its underground which I think is useless.
How is that ever going to help others if you cannot see it?

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Originally Posted by jenmaz
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I have just been reading through this post regarding peoples' comments on DoCS Qld. (And in some cases - other States).

Though I understand the anger and resentment that these individuals feel at having their children stolen by the Dept, I am concerned at the way they deal with the situation.

I firmly believe that the Dept wants families to become angry and bitter and vengeful etc because then they can USE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR shown by parents AS AN EXCUSE TO FURTHER HARASS AND PERSECUTE THEM.

As families undergoing child protection investigations and so on, we need to be very careful how we relate to the Dept. I believe there is a far better outcome through being civil, polite, assertive, professional and so on. I know this is hard at times, particularly if the DoCS workers are not showing the same attitudes, but for the sake of your case and the emotional security of your children it is vitally important.

We as parents need to fight for a change of attitude from the Department. Often this means changing our attitudes first. (Even if we hate the idea!) I am not talking about giving in!!!!!!
No, I'm talking about exerting our rights as parents and demanding that the Department, the Foster Care Agencies, the Foster Parents and ourselves WORK IN PARTNERSHIP.

PARTNERSHIP - yes the word sounds frightening, particularly when applied to DoCS, but this I firmly believe is the way of the future if we WANT TO SEE POSITIVE CHANGES IN THE WAY CHILD
PROTECTION WORKS IN AUSTRALIA.

Partnership brings about positive results and its good for the kids. They are after all, the most important people in the whole DoCS vs parents issue.

Please don't think I am pro DoCS, or crazy. I too have had negative dealings with DoCS (NSW). My son is still in care due to the terrible things that DoCS did at Court and to us. But I am now in a position where I am working very hard to build better relationships with all that are involved in my son's case - Foster Agency, Foster Carers, and yes DoCS as well. MY SITUATION (AND THAT OF MY SON) IS ACTUALLY IMPROVING BECAUSE OF THIS.
Now I am being invited by Child Protection Agencies, including DoCS equivalents in other States, to come and talk to their workers about important issues such as - Working with parents; how it feels to be a parent in the Child Protection system and how to best work in Partnership together.

This is a first for parents like us - to actually be listened to and not written of as "dead beat" parents as one politician so charmingly described us!!
I also had the opportunity to speak at a National Child Welfare Conference about the Parent Perspective in Child Protection, by telling my own story and stressing the importance of working with parents in Partnership and not against them. And yes, there were DoCS workers, Foster Care Agencies and Legal Representatives at this meeting. TALK ABOUT POWER 4 PARENTS!!! Now it is actually happening.

Sorry for the long posting, but please consider what I have said.

If you do have problems with anger and dealing with DoCS, and it is affecting your life - please seek counselling. Often our anger at DoCS is more about grief and loss than actually all out anger. Losing a child to DoCS is a horrible experience and of course we are all going to have strong emotions about this. If we lost our child due to death - there would be lots of support and compassion, but when it is through DoCS we get no support, only the labels of - child abuser, you deserve it, "dead beat" parent and so on. What a horrible thing to do to someone, particularly if their child's removal was due to circumstances that were not child abuse or deliberate neglect.

If you would like to discuss your situation, want some information on Court Processes or tips on how to work with DoCS please consider calling the Family Inclusion Network (FIN - NSW) on 0450 521 610.
This organisation has been specifically set up (by parents and supportive professionals) to assist parents with kids in out-of-home care or at risk of losing kids into care because of DoCS. It is not run by DoCS! There are also branches in Qld, WA, ACT and SA. Victoria is hoping to start one soon. There is also a National FIN organisation called FIN Australia which all State Branches belong to.
Please email me if you want more info.
Regards
Jenmaz
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State Representative for FIN Australia, and most important of all a parent with a child in out-of-home care.


You sound like a decent person to be caught up with this Docs stuff but the way I look at it even the most decent person in Australia would become an animal if they were accused of false child abuse and have their children taken off them.
Well thats the way I look at it, I could not ever want to be in a position and I would not know how I would ever re-act if this happened to me because of a nut case putting a false accusation in, then you have one of these family services blowing it out of proportion only making it worst.

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Originally Posted by jenmaz
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I have just been reading through this post regarding peoples' comments on DoCS Qld. (And in some cases - other States).

Though I understand the anger and resentment that these individuals feel at having their children stolen by the Dept, I am concerned at the way they deal with the situation.

I firmly believe that the Dept wants families to become angry and bitter and vengeful etc because then they can USE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR shown by parents AS AN EXCUSE TO FURTHER HARASS AND PERSECUTE THEM.

As families undergoing child protection investigations and so on, we need to be very careful how we relate to the Dept. I believe there is a far better outcome through being civil, polite, assertive, professional and so on. I know this is hard at times, particularly if the DoCS workers are not showing the same attitudes, but for the sake of your case and the emotional security of your children it is vitally important.

We as parents need to fight for a change of attitude from the Department. Often this means changing our attitudes first. (Even if we hate the idea!) I am not talking about giving in!!!!!!
No, I'm talking about exerting our rights as parents and demanding that the Department, the Foster Care Agencies, the Foster Parents and ourselves WORK IN PARTNERSHIP.

PARTNERSHIP - yes the word sounds frightening, particularly when applied to DoCS, but this I firmly believe is the way of the future if we WANT TO SEE POSITIVE CHANGES IN THE WAY CHILD
PROTECTION WORKS IN AUSTRALIA.

Partnership brings about positive results and its good for the kids. They are after all, the most important people in the whole DoCS vs parents issue.

Please don't think I am pro DoCS, or crazy. I too have had negative dealings with DoCS (NSW). My son is still in care due to the terrible things that DoCS did at Court and to us. But I am now in a position where I am working very hard to build better relationships with all that are involved in my son's case - Foster Agency, Foster Carers, and yes DoCS as well. MY SITUATION (AND THAT OF MY SON) IS ACTUALLY IMPROVING BECAUSE OF THIS.
Now I am being invited by Child Protection Agencies, including DoCS equivalents in other States, to come and talk to their workers about important issues such as - Working with parents; how it feels to be a parent in the Child Protection system and how to best work in Partnership together.

This is a first for parents like us - to actually be listened to and not written of as "dead beat" parents as one politician so charmingly described us!!
I also had the opportunity to speak at a National Child Welfare Conference about the Parent Perspective in Child Protection, by telling my own story and stressing the importance of working with parents in Partnership and not against them. And yes, there were DoCS workers, Foster Care Agencies and Legal Representatives at this meeting. TALK ABOUT POWER 4 PARENTS!!! Now it is actually happening.

Sorry for the long posting, but please consider what I have said.

If you do have problems with anger and dealing with DoCS, and it is affecting your life - please seek counselling. Often our anger at DoCS is more about grief and loss than actually all out anger. Losing a child to DoCS is a horrible experience and of course we are all going to have strong emotions about this. If we lost our child due to death - there would be lots of support and compassion, but when it is through DoCS we get no support, only the labels of - child abuser, you deserve it, "dead beat" parent and so on. What a horrible thing to do to someone, particularly if their child's removal was due to circumstances that were not child abuse or deliberate neglect.

If you would like to discuss your situation, want some information on Court Processes or tips on how to work with DoCS please consider calling the Family Inclusion Network (FIN - NSW) on 0450 521 610.
This organisation has been specifically set up (by parents and supportive professionals) to assist parents with kids in out-of-home care or at risk of losing kids into care because of DoCS. It is not run by DoCS! There are also branches in Qld, WA, ACT and SA. Victoria is hoping to start one soon. There is also a National FIN organisation called FIN Australia which all State Branches belong to.
Please email me if you want more info.
Regards
Jenmaz
Parent Representative on the Board for FIN-NSW,
State Representative for FIN Australia, and most important of all a parent with a child in out-of-home care.


You sound like a decent person to be caught up with this Docs stuff but the way I look at it even the most decent person in Australia would become an animal if they were accused of false child abuse and have their children taken off them.
Well thats the way I look at it, I could not ever want to be in a position and I would not know how I would ever re-act if this happened to me because of a nut case putting a false accusation in, then you have one of these family services blowing it out of proportion only making it worst.


Yes musicman she probably is a decent person, a decent mother to be caught up in the web of DOCS lies and trouble makers.
I don't care what anyone thinks if you close your eyes and think and you are right about everything you don't back down to anyone whatsoever and why should you.

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Hey guys its been years since I have come back on this site and I have notice the Controversy Corner forum is a little dead where I kicked up a stink about having a unfaithful wife and having to pay for kids that were not mine.
Looks like we have more action on a new forum on this site again and its docs, well when i had trouble with them they weren't called docs but who cares the name has changed but the same crew are still there.

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Originally Posted by jenmaz
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As families undergoing child protection investigations and so on, we need to be very careful how we relate to the Dept. I believe there is a far better outcome through being civil, polite, assertive, professional and so on. I know this is hard at times, particularly if the DoCS workers are not showing the same attitudes, but for the sake of your case and the emotional security of your children it is vitally important.
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And this is exactly what I was told that you have to kiss their butts even after a crap when they run out of dunnie paper otherwise they will try to remove your kids.
But why should you do this when the parents are right and docs got it wrong because personally 5 years ago i knew of a case that was covered up because of a case worker hell bent on a vengence trip against a neighbour.

They do mistakes you know and they are good at covering their tracks up and only yesterday i was told that they cannot be sued for just about anything they do wrong.

I'm back! I might have to do some researching on this because I know the way i was treated by the CSA group years ago and i'm still burning with hate for the way i was treated.

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When is the poll going up? I know what office i will be voting for l_sabre devil

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Originally Posted by Crow
When is the poll going up? I know what office i will be voting for l_sabre devil


Crow
Good to see another on this thread
As for the poll I will choose around 12 Queensland offices and if I get any complaints from some that have joined that I have missed their office of death I will add it.
Again as some have said via emails or PM's (private messages)they don't want to post all they want to do is poll the MOST HATED GOVERNMENT OFFICE IN QUEENSLAND
I will say this again you might have to wait ANOTHER NINE yes 9 months before I start this poll as I have a reason for this.

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Most forums that have polls today have a limit on options so if that's the case with aus-city just limit the amount of offices to say 10-15 and if this is the forums limits and if anyone has a complaint about another office they can just post the office in question with a simple post under the poll and if they're scared to post that well bad luck.
You can't please everyone,it just shows you the amount of intimidation that docs must use if people that join a public forum and are scared to post anything against them.

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I can't wait to see what office wins with the displeasure of being the most hated docs office.
I just wonder maybe a FOI document might help.

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Hey I hate Gov dept

Talking to my bro last nite and he tells me he has passed this link to other lawyers that he knows and they all had a giggle and said don't go to hard on docs as this is where most of the family lawyers make their income from. teehee
No docs = unemployed family Lawyers. teehee

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I can't wait to see what office wins with the displeasure of being the most hated docs office.
I just wonder maybe a FOI document might help.


jaremt
I recon this will be a ripper
My brother told me last nite the worst office in qld is in nth Brisbane (Ha Ha not telling)according to one of his lawyer buddies and the other is near the Gold Coast closely followed by the top of qld where the sun shines all the time.
Get your numbers up I hate Gov dept and when you're ready rip into it.

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