i agree with you phil, of all my italian relative, non had tarbs, yet they had foxtel.<br />and had foxtel for rai, and knew about tarbs, but no offence to the italians, the problem is you are mentally as you were 40 years ago, when you arrived in australia, you all live in the past, and is time to get with the times.<br />when i got tarbs for my parents it was for both the italian and spanish channel (except tv chile which they never watch) but the truth is teleitalia and rai were only good channels they had.<br />but ubi is great, the spanish pk ie excellent, and i love ntv(turk) for it`s soccer content. i really enjoyed the world youth cup in that channel.