What can we expect of TV Plus ? - AUS-CITY Message Forums

As you may all know now, one of my concerns with these providers is the quality of the picture and sound of the content these providers are delivering. I must admit, that I am quite excited out that TV+ will be delivering it’s content on direct fibre. This would mean that the picture should be far less compressed, much sharper and the audio quality should be close to perfect. So Pink+ and BK should have as good a quality as BNTV is on PAS8 (TV+). Well, looks like TV+ is getting their act together! @ Satfreak – Any ETA on the delivery of the better quality content? Yes I know that it’s better to have any quality Pink than no Pink at all, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> but… I want more! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> Vlad...

yeah i want quality too vlad, but how good is the quality of the channel to start with?

reuder, well they do have studios, you know I'm not sure what your referring to when you say "...to start with". Do you mean the uplink? The signal quality is digital which means it does not inherit noise. The only thing that determines the quality of the broadcast is the amount of compression they use and if there is a transfer from platform to platform i.e. NTSC to PAL. Vlad... [ 26. December 2004, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: Vlad ]

yeah that's what i mean, e.g. the RTS signal was always shocking, the uplink quality was bad to start off with, and then ex tarbs used it. they couldn't do anything to improve it

But TARBS swapped platforms from NTSC (Never Twice the Same Color) to PAL. The uplink with pink and BN was fine but they lost heaps on the translation. This is what TV Plus say will be fixed in the new year. I expect the picture, going over fibre to be close to perfect. Let's hope this comes soon! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

does the end provider e.g. tvplus get the signal direct from the actually content provider i.e. direct from their facilities to tvplus uplink station e.g. Pink etc, or do they get it off e.g. for european channels HOTBIRD 3 etc

It all depends. They could get all channels off satellite in Europe or have a direct connection through fibre to the channel and then broadcast it to the uplink sat from there. Eg: For TV plus, it either gets picked up from intelsat Americas 5 then get beamed back up to pas8 from napa in USA or direct fibre to straight to Sydney then pas8 For UBI, hotbird sat to RR sat in Israel then gets beamed up to telstar 10 then signal get piked up in Pyrmont Sydney then get beamed back up to Optus b3 according to a little birdie <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

hehe thanks vlad, for always answering my little questions

Also, what decoders will tvplus use?

The CA's will be a new version of IRDETO. As for the STU's, I don't have that info. Perhaps Satfreak could answer that... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> Regrads, Vlad

i reckon they would be using those TECHNOSAT boxes as the russian service on pas8 are using those and AAACOM sat installers are advertising the serbian channels on there site and they supply and install those boxes

a new version of irdeto? so they won't be using e.g. Irdeto2?

Irdeto2 will be used, but will it be safe!!

thats what they said about IR1... time will tell.... mixo

FYI Irdeto V4 & V5 will be used... V5 has just been publicly released in Jan 05... STB - minimum 2 offshore manufactures because any STB issues or any upgrades go wrong not all customers go off the air.. I would hope that between 2 - 4 boxes get used.. Cheers [ 03. January 2005, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: Satfreak ]

Open to Card Sharing..

Yes Big time and the Biggest problem is its there own brothers in Melbourne that will be doing it. Well not brothers in Blood anyhow that will be doing it. Mind you everyone knows about the Massive Card sharing servers that the "MOD SHOP" In WA had until the federal Police raided them, these dickheads advertised it in the local rag. Now this Mob in Melbourne are a lot smarter than that. they only do Family groups and each group supplies one gen Irdeto2 card yes pay for one but share the rest. The sky is the limit depending how big the family is. This effects all Irdeto 2 today.

Big Chief All boxes will have unique "softcell" (IOS, Software) unique to TV+ platform. All boxes will be card married to oringial STB - ie - you will not be able to use your own STB, you wont be able to swap Smart Cards between TV+ boxes

Satfreak All boxes are unique to their own platforms which is somewhat standard for all DTH Pay TV companies. What makes the TV+ platform any different. Hey if the card sharing system works for the I2 encryption Foxtel platform then I am sure it'll work with TV+. You can't tell me that TV+ will have a more advanced system than Foxtel..

Thats why foxtel are getting rid of irdeto2 and switching to NDS, but when will the cracks appear in NDS, hummmmmmm

It will effect TV plus more than anyone as TARBS were heavly effected by piracy from the Balkans packages buy this group. And if you don't believe me since you communicate with Webmaster ask him about the Mystery taped phone conversation about this group In Melbourne and how they are doing it. this is how I found out and this is how TARBS found out. could you imagine being screwed by you own mob, that hurts even more.

Ouch! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

You can say that again.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Yeah well what did you expect Phil, you wanted them to populate the keys too? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Yes its up to the End user!!!

I have done my first install for pas 8 from B3 for the ku services there, but the owner had no box he just wanted the dish aligned to pas 8 and that was it. But I did notice a spare space in the cabinet and a blue ethernet cable sitting there doing nothing.???

the card sharing servers are getting ready for buisness <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/default/cool.gif" />

yicks this card sharing service is really intresting, and as I hear does not seem hard to crack hey?

Fred.. What package was he signing for,.,,.

People will do anything to avoid paying even for as little as $40 a month spending hundreds of dollars on a decoder box and other set up costs to aviod paying a subscription fee.

Yea and when the service drops out more than 70% of the time cause the refresh rate on the keys is sub 20sec lets see them keep with their boxes..

spose. 0$ is alot better then $40. Really depends how important "thier" channels are?

Satfreak For a "satfreak" , encryption is obviously not one of your stronger points :)Your quote : " Yea and when the service drops out more than 70% of the time cause the refresh rate on the keys is sub 20sec lets see them keep with their boxes.. " Please tell me how this will happen. I can watch Foxtel and Austar's Pay TV services without a subscription card ( I do have one though , I dont believe in a total free ride )and the picture does NOT break up. If Foxtel and Austar could do anything to stop it they would , your sub 20 second refresh rate is simply dreaming. Any ethnic service provider using Irdeto encryption will suffer card sharing. Its not hard to setup , and even easier to connect to. if you think it wont happen , you are dreaming

Satfreak should stick to his hypothetical persecution of UBI, he sounds better at it.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Satfreak: Fred.. What package was he signing for,.,,. <hr /></blockquote>None mate!!. Now listen to this,!!!! I done the second one today at his mothers place again i moved the dish to Pas8 and again i spotted a Ethernet cable and a set of RCA leads hanging around But this install was a laugh!! Guess what i found on the coffee table???? A dreambox ir control, the dickheads removed the dreambox but left the ir control for all to see. I asked what they are going to watch, and they shook there head but you dont have to be a rocket scientist on the coffee table was a Serbian paper, talk about dump people. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

lol

Fred, No, not dumb people, just people that don't understand technology. Yes I expected this, maybe someone at TV plus told all that there is a possibility that UBI will lose the Balkans channels and this way they are getting ready for TV plus. The Dreambox works lovely on FTA and when the encryption kicks in nothing will change, forget the latency crap they have tried to shorten the timing and all it effect is the Genuine Customers, the Latency from the uplink to downlink is a bit on the nose for them. By the way, just to let all know these people that run these servers are making plenty of money, Look at the Mod shop in WA, they had thousands on their networks and charging you for it, could you imagine being late for your Subscription Payment?, which was around 10 Bucks a month for all. They shut your ip for your box off, thats not bad for all of fox/aust and like I said some had sky too, but now that WMI and TV plus are joining the KU circus in Irdeto2 using a small dish this will be a problem. The big Card Servers are not the problem, its the individial ones that will pop up by the droves. See a typical Son with a bit of brains setting up his Mum and DAD plus all the Brothers and sisters in-laws and outlaws say around 10 installations, one subscribes, the other nine are card shared ( the first thing you do is park their box because after you use a dreambox, everything else is crap for use for the original sub card) so its simple maths. Say it costs you for a TV plus sub for one year at $60 per month Multiplied by 12 months thats $720 per year divided by 12 thats $72 per year thats not bad!. By the way, pay tv providers have tried to stop this but as quick as they scratched their head, the authors are producing new soft cams for the images at a rate of 1 every two weeks. Some guys have up to 10 different cams on a typical dreambox and play with them to see if there are any improvements.

And by the way the keys sent across are in encrypted packets.

Sound like TV plus and others are in for a hard time, I bet they never expected this!. There is a Big forum about to have massive sale of new Dreamboxes soon for the new model, they will be cheap to, i don't want to put the name of the forum just in case if they don't want to advertise it. All this shit is interesting.

Yes, I would take a guess what forum it would be. sounds like rocky roads ahead boys!

Should of done their homework on encryption system before going ahead especially when there's alot of reports about I2 card sharing. This will also affect WMI as well...

You pretty much covered it for me there Phil. Foxtel/Austar can make no further adjustments to try and disrupt card sharing without breaking up the picture of their paying subscribers. Tarbs was heavily pirated towards the end of its life with modified receivers supplied by organised groups and new ethnic channel providers will suffer the same fate with card sharing , which as I said , is painfully easy. The easiest way is with a Dreambox , but you can also do it using a software program and a season interface. Either way , all you need is ADSL to supply you with the encryption keys of the shared card.

yes Mr Gwn method season interface is very successful and it works on most boxes like Nokias, humax etc and some are even using dialup but this hogs your line and typical dial up it drops out all the time, and I have been reading for the ones that can't get ADSL there is always ISDN. Its VERY reliable, it never drops out, Net and phone at the same time and now Bigpond has made an unliminted plan too.

Look at this, and it has nothing to do with dreamboxes. New companies are in trouble. http://www.ucascity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=427f6906b178f680737a033d5c560702&t=783 [ 06. January 2005, 08:33 AM: Message edited by: Meatball ]

Yes and have a look at his nationality!! More and more is popping up day by day

Phil where can i get a dreambox?

Bedouin Do you work over at UBI??

In the next few weeks dream media Australia will be having a massive sale of dreamboxes via one of Australias number one forums. This will be revealed very soon. The new model 7020 and 7080 are the latest in state of the art technology, using twin tuners and even a built in DVD burner. By the way, all dreamboxes run hard disk up to 300 gigabyte, so you can watch the movies, record them to your hard drive and burn them to a DVD, all in one box. Because they have twin tuners in them, you can record one channel whilst watching another. The forum nominated in Australia to sell these dreamboxes has been already nominated and will be released in the next few days. Phil

Chinese have new boxes in testing.... similar to dreambox .. built in card sharing etc online or around the house over i.p etc

Yes I bet they're going to be a lot cheaper too.

The providers get smarter. but their always one step behind the crooks

I don't have anithing against having a bit of free ride on monsters like Foxtel or Austar. But our ethnic TV is bloody fragile. Doing this (free ride) we can kill it really quickly and have nothing tomorrow.

Yes I agree but the ethnics are the ones behind it.

Especially when the ethnic population is not large enough to sustain a pay tv operation..

The answer is simple.Why charge 60 dollars like ubi does, and not charge a more realistic price of 30.If you do the sums it will be a few years worth watching legit before you payed off all that pirate equipment.... If you paying foxtel 70+ dollars a month and somone comes to you and says you pay only 10 wont you be thinking about it???? ecomomics comes first not theft.... Everyone would love a rolex but we all buy the fake one dont we! mixo

I agree with Koysta I want ethnic TV so my children can watch their mother tounge.. All this free stuff will cause all the providers to go and us the end users will suffer.. Thanks to all the people that are making the companies loose before they have even started..

People don't make companies loose, their own greed is doing it. Let us pay reasonable prices and you'll stay in business and we'll be happy..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" />

Oh shut up you all who want a free tv. You should be ashamed of your self’s. How many times you went to cinema with friend or girlfriend? You paid for 2 tickets 2 drinks and some popcorns more than 50$! And for what? One movie! Now you winging about 60$ for at least 5 of your favorite country channels every day in a comfort of your own home for the whole month. For some cheap bastards even if companies charge 5$ a month, still they would steal. It’s in their blood.

ja I agree with you!! $60 is nothing for a whole month!! of entertainment!

You can pay even $200 if you want, but you can't shut anybody up. When I see what kind of people would benefit from my money, I'm seriously thinking about that dreambox....... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

Ok When you consider that TV+ is working to bring Serbian, Maceo, Bosnian, Croat, Polish, and many other ethnicity's as well as English channels - Movie 1, Movie Extra, Movie Greats as well as National Geographic, Sports and more... Every free rider will hurt the Balkan community as a whole so go ahead...do yourselves a great favor.. cause you are screwing us all over less subscribers means less channels means less subscribers means good bye channels... [ 06. January 2005, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: Satfreak ]

Ja , $50 to go to the cinema ? I dont think so. I preferred to spend $100 on a DVD burner. I dont think hollywood multimillionaires deserve my money. Big chief , you are correct , Australia is not big enough to sustain ethnic pay services. Which is why both UBI and TV+ will go broke. Satfreak , if your children want to watch your " mother tongue " , you might get better value out of a plane ticket.

They will go broke even quicker if they charge only $30 for the subscription. Ethnics will have to live with their Countries government channels who pay Globecast to put it FTA. So for the Turks there goes everything besides TRT International. Boring, it'll be cheaper to subscibe rather than pay for tickets for the whole family..

At the end of the day piracy will always be there, some are doing it for there family, some are doing it for profit and they are the ones I'm against because they are nothing but Greedy pricks. Like I said TARBS was effected by this Gready Group in Melbourne importing MDS boxes, modding them and selling them to families for over $1200 with install per box, and they love confusion like when TARBS folded because their saying is "WHERE THERE IS CONFUSION THERE IS PROFIT" I have spoken to 2 off there customers that are my friends and they are saying that UBI will be losing the Balkans channels and only TV Plus will have them and this group in Melbourne are gearing up for it, and again its there own Balkans people that ae doing it. We talk about the Subscribtion being high for all Pay TV in Australia, that is correct it has to be because of our small population and the cost of getting these channels to Australia. But on the other hand people will always try to find a cheaper way to get there channels for less. Now "Boring spoke about DVD's yes what a rip off, do you know it cost 42 cents to make/pack and deliver a DVD anywhere in the world but they wanted and got my money two years ago for "PEARL HARBOUR" I had to pay $45,,,, what a rip off and the guy over the counter said to me pay up or you don't get it mate!!! yes from 42 cents to $45 for one movie and you wonder why they have dug there own grave on DVD's because like "boring" said you can buy a DVD burner for around $100, the Best Disc say riteks around 90 cents each, a box of blank clear covers of 100 for $30, the best Label DVD printer like Canon i865 or a Epson R310 for under $300 free software like DVD Shrink that uses Nero to burn and presto your away,and don't forget Covers .cc... like Pay TV you buy one and share it with your 10 mates and at the end of the day that $45 movie now cost you $4.50 and remember the original cost of producing it is 42 cents. Nothing but Gread!!!

Phil, They must be so friggen hopeless or stupid to pay $1200 for a box knowing that they will have limited life of their channels by screwing the provider company. What a dump way to loose money! Those greedy pricks f--ks everybody by cards/mods etc and makes big money and whoever deals with them will be digging his own ethnic channels grave...

has anyone seen the tvplus exclusive statement running in the middle of the pinkplus broadcast, "no other company, apart from Tvplus has the exclusive rights to BN, BK and Pink" <<< roughly what it says? lets see how UBI deals with this

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by reuder: has anyone seen the tvplus exclusive statement running in the middle of the pinkplus broadcast, "no other company, apart from Tvplus has the exclusive rights to BN, BK and Pink" <<< roughly what it says? lets see how UBI deals with this <hr /></blockquote>UBI has nothing to deal with because that message scrolls only on TV+ PINK. PINK on UBI is crystal clear without any (annoying) messages. 15:59 Brisbane Time

UBI Pink Plus is much clearer now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Liski: UBI Pink Plus is much clearer now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Yep, the difference is obvious <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Expect a surprise later 2nite on UBI Balkan

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Liski: Expect a surprise later 2nite on UBI Balkan <hr /></blockquote>I'm all eyes !!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" />

oh ok, cause i thought people were saying that UBI is using the pas8 broadcast of Pink

YU4CFG writes... <blockquote>quote:<hr />UBI has nothing to deal with because that message scrolls only on TV+ PINK. PINK on UBI is crystal clear without any (annoying) messages<hr /></blockquote>I'm watching Pink on B3 and tvplus exclusive statement is running on my screen, too ?? (not scrolling one, but one over the whole screen} <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" />

ha ha ha maybe that is surprise Liski was talking about

ja, No it wasnt't! Stay tuned

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Liski: Expect a surprise later 2nite on UBI Balkan <hr /></blockquote>Yes spent all day and still not finished modifing my control room, two more Monitors!!! Yes pink looks good now,I wonder why!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Well we have been talking about it and guess what hits the market soon and at a very good price. I was sent this from a member from Australia's No1 information forum. http://www.austech.info/showthread.php?t=100776

Thats a very good price. I expected them to be around a 1000 bucks for the new model.

Ja I think you are wrong.There still a lot of people going to the movies, but I for one, dont go unless its a tuesday. I certainly dont buy popcorn at the cinema , it a pure rip off, i goto safway and buy my goodies then head for the cinema. The way i see movies is on dvd on my home cinema, no its not a 20,000 home cinema but a 1,000 dollars one on a 68 cm tv, and i enjoy that more than the movies and it costs me tops 7 bucks a movie, if i goto blockbuster. People want value for money, and if people think they are paying to much they will rip it off, and guess what JA, people are ripping off these compines because they are getting riped off.. There is nothing wrong in paying 60 bucks if you feel its a value price, most people I would say think the opposite... mixo <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ja: Oh shut up you all who want a free tv. You should be ashamed of your self’s. How many times you went to cinema with friend or girlfriend? You paid for 2 tickets 2 drinks and some popcorns more than 50$! And for what? One movie! Now you winging about 60$ for at least 5 of your favorite country channels every day in a comfort of your own home for the whole month. For some cheap bastards even if companies charge 5$ a month, still they would steal. It’s in their blood. <hr /></blockquote>

MIXO I know many who wacth TV for free and thrust me they would cheat even if TV company charge them 10$ a month. It's Balkan mentality, you can not fix that. Only way is to protect better your channels.

Ja it's all the ethnic people that do that, as you said if they can save $10 they would, even if the box costs ($500)

Dear Forum Please note the “surprise” LISKI advises of is the ILLEGALL TRANSMISSION OF PINK EXTRA UBI hasn't commenced broadcasting it yet but they are illegally trying to commence transmission of this channel today. PINK have made it very clear that TV Plus is the exclusive company to Pink in the ASIA Pacific region. UBI are engaging in piaricy and content theft which PINK will not stand by and allow to happen Rgs [ 08. January 2005, 09:15 AM: Message edited by: Satfreak ]

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by reuder: has anyone seen the tvplus exclusive statement running in the middle of the pinkplus broadcast, "no other company, apart from Tvplus has the exclusive rights to BN, BK and Pink" <<< roughly what it says? lets see how UBI deals with this <hr /></blockquote>I gotta say that msg pisses me off a lot..I mean they could at least put it at the bottom of the screen showing every 15 min or so...like that russian channel but not in the middle of the screen...PEOPLE CAN STILL READ THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN and also pink plus itself has broadcasted numerous times tv + contact details too...Looks like I wont be video taping anything for a while from pink plus <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> [ 08. January 2005, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: night_flight ]

Satfreak what I don't understand is why don't TV+ do something about this, how you call it "UBI ILLEGALL TRANSMISSION OF PINK EXTRA". Is there any law for this, why don't TV+ protect their bussines?

Liskiiiiiiiiiii where is your surprise?!

From Apsattv predictions February Mud flys in the Australian Ethnic tv scene with one provider taking legal action against another. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

I wonder which way!

Something doesn't add up here, you just cannot steal any channel from a provider and stick it on your Pay TV service. I'm just wondering if this rumour is true. UBI has paid in advance for the Balkans channels but because TARBS owed the owners of the Balkans channels mega Millions they gladely took UBI's money and after that told them to Stick it. Now is this the reason why UBI hasn't been taken to court yet. c'on Guys this shit has been going on for months now something smells and its not just UBI.

Milkman UBI has paid ZERO to the content providers.. TV+ has been paying fees thats why when you go to the content providers sites it clearly says TV+ is the exclusive provider.. UBI just thinks that some customers are nieve(unaware) and can trick these customers into taking $$$ from them. Not for long

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Milkman: Something doesn't add up here, you just cannot steal any channel from a provider and stick it on your Pay TV service. I'm just wondering if this rumour is true. UBI has paid in advance for the Balkans channels but because TARBS owed the owners of the Balkans channels mega Millions they gladely took UBI's money and after that told them to Stick it. Now is this the reason why UBI hasn't been taken to court yet. c'on Guys this shit has been going on for months now something smells and its not just UBI. <hr /></blockquote>That rumor is 100% BS. UBI paid in advance? That will be the day. These are very desperate days for UBI. The future is very dark. Hint: After UBI removes its Balkan Package, the next one to go will be???.......Greek ooops!

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Satfreak: Milkman UBI has paid ZERO to the content providers.. TV+ has been paying fees thats why when you go to the content providers sites it clearly says TV+ is the exclusive provider.. UBI just thinks that some customers are nieve(unaware) and can trick these customers into taking $$$ from them. Not for long <hr /></blockquote>Satfreak don't worry I know for a fact that Pink International Company will take swift and severe legal action against UBI IF they don't remove Pink once TV+ begins encryption. TV+ first has to begin with it's encryption then if UBI does not comply, well it could be "lights out" again for UBI/Tarbs. Not just because of Pink or the other balkan channels, but beleive me behind the scenes UBI is sweating and has begun to bleed "dirty blood". [ 08. January 2005, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: Nik Stern ]

Amen Nik Couldnt have said it better.. No wonder the guys at TV+ are running around saying encrypt now, encrypt now, boxes out to clients encrypt now.. I heard it was direct orders from Pink so it all makes sense.. Cheers

Some of you guys need to get a life! This company will have this, and that company won't have that, what a croc,! Talk about absolute trash and slanging match between two companies, its a wank feast full of mucho's in this forum. Have a reality check guys and have a good look at yourselves in front of the mirror with your hand off your dicks. Just in case if you delete this Satfreak I will put a copy in Controversy Corner.

Cathy and who asked you your opinion? You told as your opinion few months ago and you where polite asked to leave this, how you called it "wanker" forum. Again a lot of "culture" in your post, but again it's not your mistake, you where raised like that, arrogant, selfish, like you own the planet ... no wonder somme things are happening [ 09. January 2005, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: ja ]

I have to agree with the dyke on this one. Not fully though. Only the part about the constant bickering. Please try to keep the forum as professional as possible. Remember, this forum is too supply valuable information on services available to ‘em, not to watch a cheap Spanish soap!

Liski where is Pink Extra.. We are waiting,,,

Satfreak, please stop winging and creating shitfights between providers. talk about your company and its future directions, bring more hopes and promises to the followers so ppl can see some outcome from your side. This forum was created due to the requests by other pay tv services to inform public about their services/channels offered. All I read for the last two months in all over the forums are mainly blaming UBI for any simple think and trying to create rumours and boolshits. Enough is enough. As an individual in this forum, I would like to read more about other services and their future directions more then UBI staff. Thanks....

My first post but have been reading for a while, you wonder why he polled so badly with his Cronies. No info just diggs against another company. what in the hell is he doing.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Satfreak: Liski where is Pink Extra.. We are waiting,,, <hr /></blockquote>Waiting for Satfreak to say that TV+ has rights to it as well.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" />

Liski, UBi representative promised us suprise? Pink Plus. Satfreak and all of us have every right to ask Liski where is Pink Plus as he promised .....

ja, Pink Plus is already there direct from Europe. Pink Extra starts this week and Planeta TV shortly after.

Ja, most of your posts are for defending satfreak or boolshiting around, please wake up to yourself and use this forum to communicate and exchange knowledge/inform others. If its to hard for you then sit back, relaxed and get informed by others and make no comment when it has nothing to do with you!....

Well Phil maybe true after all, Ja = Satfreak or is Satfreak = Ja or is Satfreak + Ja = TV+... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

fsking i did not ask you what is your opinion of my posts. same thing goes for advice. I didn't give it to you so you stop giving it to me. Mind your own bussines. Big Chief, yes it's true, I'm about 234 nicks on this forum. I even use your own nick, Debono's nick etc. How is that for a conspiracy? Happy?

As you prove it yourself, you have nothing to contribute to this forum but scam. Why do you attack whenever someone tells the truth about you? Do not worry about my own business and try to think why ppl talk about your strange/weird attitude. By the way, I mind any business when there is so much boolshit talk.

@Big Chief - Naaa. "ja" is not "Satfreak". Satfreak has a much better command of the English language for one. Second of all, ja's brain is a walnut, small and thick! Guy's stop sounding like plucking women! @Satfreak - please give us ETA's on getting the quality of the broadcasts rather than asking Liski questions that, frankly do not belong in this forum. It seems that a month has passed and the picture/sound quality has not yet been dealt with! I would suggest efforts and priority be put in getting the quality back rather than encryption date, cause I for one will not connect until I have proof of the quality! Regards, Vlad

Vlad, Who do you refer to "stop sounding like plucking women!".....

Ja and Satfreak. Sorry if it wasn't obvious. ...and i guess anyone else who pollutes this forum with absolute crap... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> [ 11. January 2005, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: Darth Vader ]

Thanks for the clarification...

Darth Wader or Vlad, what did I post now to provoke that kind response from you? I just replied to fsking attack on me. Vlad or Darth ...... I got 3 different occupations (degrees), one of them is equivalent to Australia University, I've seen and experienced things in my life which you can only imagine, bad and good things. I come in this country alone 7 years ago with 300 German marks in my pocket and nobody else with me in this country, no relatives, no friends. I've risen from having nothing to eat, waiting for payment from Centerlink to where I'm now. I got my own small business (transport company, three trucks so far, 3 drivers, my own house - not on mortgage),unfortunately I can not work my own occupation (IT technician and web developer) because of my bad English, I guess all those things make you think that my brain is small ..... Do you really you think I care what you think about my brain? What is wrong with you people, every now and then you start to abuse me. I don't swear, I don't insult or abuse anybody, so please lets use civilised language or find your own lower inteligance race to corespond with and use that abusive language and leave me alone. Enough of this, lets stick to the subject of the topic. [ 11. January 2005, 12:42 PM: Message edited by: ja ]

Yes.. how can you improve the quality of the services of TV+. Pink on B3 shits all over Pink on Pas8.

ja, bato zasto se prepires sa mentolima???? Pa zar ne vidis da su vecina njih dokoni pajseri koji vola ne znaju da ubodu. Jedino sto znaju je da seru ovde na forumu, mada ni to ne cine sa uspehom. Pusti neka se trpaju drugia u bulju. Jebiga mi smo takav narod, svi su nam bolji od nas samih. Zato smo svi i otisli u PM.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ja: Darth Wader or Vlad, what did I post now to provoke that kind response from you? I just replied to fsking attack on me. Vlad or Darth ...... I got 3 different occupations (degrees), one of them is equivalent to Australia University, I've seen and experienced things in my life which you can only imagine, bad and good things. I come in this country alone 7 years ago with 300 German marks in my pocket and nobody else with me in this country, no relatives, no friends. I've risen from having nothing to eat, waiting for payment from Centerlink to where I'm now. I got my own small business (transport company, three trucks so far, 3 drivers, my own house - not on mortgage),unfortunately I can not work my own occupation (IT technician and web developer) because of my bad English, I guess all those things make you think that my brain is small ..... Do you really you think I care what you think about my brain? What is wrong with you people, every now and then you start to abuse me. I don't swear, I don't insult or abuse anybody, so please lets use civilised language or find your own lower inteligance race to corespond with and use that abusive language and leave me alone. Enough of this, lets stick to the subject of the topic. <hr /></blockquote>Well ja how many times have you abused me and got away with it on this forum and your own Just to let you all know as you are ALL new members in my eyes, member "CATHY" did to me what ja has done. Cathy was banned and came back 5 minutes later, I banned her again and she came back later, she did EXACTLY what Ja did so now I don't bother anymore. Cathy is a serial pest and she and here friends love causing problems on people's forums. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" />

...hang on, looking for the violin. Ja, Like I need to know all that. Who cares, man. Your professional behaviour, had you had one, would not allow you to to write ..."I don't swear, I don't insult or abuse anybody, so please lets use civilised language or find your own lower inteligance race to corespond with and use that abusive language and leave me alone. You said "I don't swear, I don't insult or abuse anybody" and in the same sentence you write "... or find your own lower inteligance race to corespond with..." You are an absolute moron! …and I don’t even want to go through the forum and cut and paste your abusive language and stubborn persistence! Now if your all done, can we get back to the trucking subject?!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> [ 11. January 2005, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: Darth Vader ]

scg, ...pa ste dosli ovde u Australiju da nam solite pamet, jeli? Mi smo ovde moroni i mentoli, jeli? Pa kako to samo vas, majka pametne rodi? 'ajde 'leba ti ne seri. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> [ 11. January 2005, 06:04 PM: Message edited by: Darth Vader ]

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Phil Debono: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ja: Darth Wader or Vlad, what did I post now to provoke that kind response from you? I just replied to fsking attack on me. Vlad or Darth ...... I got 3 different occupations (degrees), one of them is equivalent to Australia University, I've seen and experienced things in my life which you can only imagine, bad and good things. I come in this country alone 7 years ago with 300 German marks in my pocket and nobody else with me in this country, no relatives, no friends. I've risen from having nothing to eat, waiting for payment from Centerlink to where I'm now. I got my own small business (transport company, three trucks so far, 3 drivers, my own house - not on mortgage),unfortunately I can not work my own occupation (IT technician and web developer) because of my bad English, I guess all those things make you think that my brain is small ..... Do you really you think I care what you think about my brain? What is wrong with you people, every now and then you start to abuse me. I don't swear, I don't insult or abuse anybody, so please lets use civilised language or find your own lower inteligance race to corespond with and use that abusive language and leave me alone. Enough of this, lets stick to the subject of the topic. <hr /></blockquote>Well ja how many times have you abused me and got away with it on this forum and your own Just to let you all know as you are ALL new members in my eyes, member "CATHY" did to me what ja has done. Cathy was banned and came back 5 minutes later, I banned her again and she came back later, she did EXACTLY what Ja did so now I don't bother anymore. Cathy is a serial pest and she and here friends love causing problems on people's forums. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Yes, Phil I do get around and ja's forum is starting to look appetising. If he keeps his crap on here, I might have to go and play over there.

Cathy B can you please leave people alone? and dont involve your self in satalite TV? ethnic TV is not for you , so please keep out and leave people alone.

She is a worry!!

Vlad say: "You are an absolute moron! " Thank you very much. Nice moderator. Show us your culture few more times.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by scg: ja, bato zasto se prepires sa mentolima???? Pa zar ne vidis da su vecina njih dokoni pajseri koji vola ne znaju da ubodu. Jedino sto znaju je da seru ovde na forumu, mada ni to ne cine sa uspehom. Pusti neka se trpaju drugia u bulju. Jebiga mi smo takav narod, svi su nam bolji od nas samih. Zato smo svi i otisli u PM. <hr /></blockquote>abit of a translation ja, brother. Why are you arguing with these mental cases??? Cant you see that most of them are lazy buggers which wouldn't know wether they are Arthur or Matha. All they know is to crap, here on the forum, although even that they don't do succesfully. Let them stick their heads up other peoples arses. Fuck it, that's the type of people we are, everyone else is better than our own.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Darth Vader: scg, ...pa ste dosli ovde u Australiju da nam solite pamet, jeli? Mi smo ovde moroni i mentoli, jeli? Pa kako to samo vas, majka pametne rodi? 'ajde 'leba ti ne seri. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Darth Vader, momak sta je sa tobom???? Ko te to vi a ko smo to mi????(jesi ti siptar pa se odvajas ???) Ja sam u Australiji vec vise od deset godina i nisam dosao ovde da bi ikome solio pamet, a ti sada kazi da u onome sto sam ja napisao nema istine. Pa samo gledam ove nase ovde, pa bulju bi dali za $2 a trpanje drugima u bulju im dodje kao dobar dan. Ovo se ne odnosi samo na pojedince na ovom forumu vec na nase ljude uopste.

Reeeeee, You speak Serbian now? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> Kala re, kala! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

hehehe yeh reeeee !!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

scg, Dali se ti to pravis lud, ili si prirodno glup? Govoris (pises) da smo mi svi mentoli, pajseri dokoni i kojesta. Pa ti si taj koji odvaja. Vec si ti okarakterisao nas narod ovde, vidim. A to za bulju, i za $2... pa "mito" je gotovo nasa rec, bre! Uvlacenje u bulju smo mi izmislili i na njemu magistrirali. Nomoj ni da zapocinjem o karakternim osobinama nas Srba (a to za siptara, tata ti siptar). Pun mi je kurac vas skorasa koji ste dosli tek juce i tu nesto kao, mi smo najpaetniji, ovi ovde su glupi mentoli...bla bla. Ako ti se ne svidja brate, kofer i nazad gde je bolje! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

Can someone please translate whats written on those posts. All I can see from -.Laser.-'s translation is that some pricks are shitting inside the forum again with its language. I am Turkish but prefer to use english to communicate with everyone and expect the same from others. This new chap "scg" has no friggen right to abuse the forum members as shown in -.Laser.-'s translation. If scg or its type joins the forum to exchange the knowledge than more than welcome but comes and shits around like whats written than must fuck-off from this site and never come back again even with some other boolshit three latter names, ok!...

Couldnt agree more fsking.

I guess we'll wait for Lazers translations <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> fsking, I agree too. To put your minds at ease, not that I'm making excuses for their action, is that "cfg" has tried to come to the rescue of "ja". Those comments, to my understanding, are not intended to all folk, just to the Australian Serb population here that have pretty much grown up in Aus. The long and short of it, fsking, is that “cfg” is trying to say that I’m a uneducated arse-licking lazy cunt that would sell my sole for $2.00. This prognosis was done simply because I didn’t come to the defence of “ja” but rather I attacked a fellow Serb. So it’s sort of bickering amongst our selves. Sorry you had to bare witness to all this “dirty laundry” but one thing the Otoman empire left behind in the Balkans was “inaat” (spelling) stubbornness. I know it’s not the time nor place but…hey, such is life… Regards, Vlad

hahahaha sorry my interpreter is not in at the moment LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> cant translate it then <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> [ 12. January 2005, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]

Darth Vader, ma kroz tvoje komentare se vidi da si smrdljiva pickica. Bas bih voleo da se nadjemo pa da mi u oci kazes da mi je otac siptar( pa da vidis kako bi proradio inat i bes koji su nam kako ti kazes Turci ostavili). Ja tebi nisam spominjao ni oca ni majku picketino vasljiva. To all u that don't understand Serbian. My comments were for us Serbs in general not Serbs that were born here or grown up here. Darth Vader is full of shit as his translation is totally incorrect. He just translated in the way that suits him. I am sorry that you guys are in the middle of this.

scg, We can take this discussion in private message... all, In a day or two I'll be closing the topic. I won't delete until a couple of days later. Pease extract what information you need or restart another topic on a similar subject. It is obvious that not one topic can stay on subject for more than one or two days. Psychopaths and ADD sufferers seem to just take over! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> [ 12. January 2005, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Darth Vader ]

Although last few posts are way out of topic I must admit that I was laughing my ass off reading them <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> Lazer, your Serbian is GREAT ! I couldn't translate it better <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> Reeeeeee... ! SCG, if you reckon that somebody could translate your words in some wrong way, you should translate it yourself (but leave Serbian version as well) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> I don't mind comments on Serbian, Turkish, Tagalog or whatever language you speak as far you tranlslate that on English for everyone to read. И ако већ пишете српски, пишите на српском писму, да вас цео свет разуме ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

had a little help translating it from a birdie <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Satfreak: Liski where is Pink Extra.. We are waiting,,, <hr /></blockquote>We didn't have to wait for long. I can see Pink Extra, loud and VERY clear <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by -.Lazer.-: had a little help translating it from a birdie <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Yep mate, I know that <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> BTW, now you've become LAZER with double dots (.) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" />

yeh man modified my name abit more horse power LOL hehehe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by -.Lazer.-: yeh man modified my name abit more horse power LOL hehehe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>If you keep doing that donuts you'll damage the rims <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

For all of you who don't speak Serbian. Click here and see this picture: http://www.rtvpink.com/temp_images/satelitAustralija.gif Picture says everything. You can find more info on http://www.rtvpink.com

Please forward all shit (messages and other) to the following link : <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

Or http://www.shitstirrur.com/

So that is shit message, telling you the truth in words and picture?! It is not a shit message when you read someone elses rubish here telling you lies?

Ja stop your negative comments, post something postive for once! Post postively or don't post anything at all.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Vlad: As you may all know now, one of my concerns with these providers is the quality of the picture and sound of the content these providers are delivering. I must admit, that I am quite excited out that TV+ will be delivering it’s content on direct fibre. This would mean that the picture should be far less compressed, much sharper and the audio quality should be close to perfect. So Pink+ and BK should have as good a quality as BNTV is on PAS8 (TV+). Well, looks like TV+ is getting their act together! @ Satfreak – Any ETA on the delivery of the better quality content? Yes I know that it’s better to have any quality Pink than no Pink at all, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> but… I want more! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> Vlad... <hr /></blockquote>You know, I just realised that, since I wrote this first post, there has been no improvement in quality, in fact if anything it got worse (now even shit scrolls on the screen all the time. Funny how that was a higher priority <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> ) and more importantly no due date in sight on when it might be fixed, if they ever even had the intention of doing it in the first place! So for this and other reasons I’ll be deleting this topic tomorrow! Vlad...

I think they have bigger problems like getting the Billing and Encryption system in place first..

OK, Dan positive message here! Here you go ......... . . . . . . Ready? Set! . . . . TV+ have exclusive right to broadcast TV Pink, TV BN and BK TV (atleast they say so) I think this is positive. Do you see any negativity here? [ 12. January 2005, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: ja ]

Well congratulations! Everyone…How ‘bout a big round of applause for Ja on this fine peace of “new” information…. NOT! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

klap klap klap

Ja, It might be too late for you as you have already joined TV plus, you've joined 4 weeks ago and paid them, you still havent even got your decoder box! What does that tell you??? United Broadcasting International has more channels so far than TV plus, eg Pink Extra is there already on Optus B3 and its not even on PAS8 yet! If it was not legal UBI would not be doing it! They say its so called 'exclusive' to make you rush and join their company, which you already have.

two more hours and...pop goes the topic <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

That's my problem. I was told when I joined that I will wait till arround 20-th of january for installation. I agreed to that. If it does not bother me there is no need for you to be bothered by how I spend my money. I don't care if UBi has somme arabic channels etc. I was looking for balkan chann. spec pink, bn and bk and guess what, all three of them on their web sites (not tv+ site) say that tv+ is broadcasting them. That's enough for me. Regarding the money? I don't care, I alredy lost everything I got in my life, house, job, country, I almoust lost my life, I was two times wounded in the balkan wars, you thinik I care about lousy 200$ after all this? No mate I really don't.

Ja I think your english is improving greatly! I don't think you can find the world 'lousy' in the grammer check <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> Well done.

well correct me than, I hate oppening microsoft word every 2 seconds .......

1:30 mins to go...have your whinge folks...step right up, step right up! Tick, tock, tick, tock <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

Darth .... my mouse is ready on "new topic" ...... tick tack

yeah you might as well start the new topic, as it seems your doing all the talking/typing here anyway... I just want to clear rubish I've started, from this forum!

Ok. Closing it for tonight. Tomorrow I'll delete it. Night all!

Ok, In light of some fact’s I’ve been pondering over this morning, I have decided to leave this topic open. Fact 1 is the legal issue of the Balkans feeds being pirated by UBI for which there is overwhelming evidence to support this claim. I still don’t totally agree with only one provider holding exclusive rights to particular content but it’s ethics that are now in question. UBI is clearly involved in theft and now if one couples that with what the same mob did whilst known as TARBS it makes me sick in the stomach to know that they were and still are involved in dishonest activities. TV+ has at least, gone about it the right way (so far). They legally purchased the rights to the broadcast, be that exclusive <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> , but they did it the right way. All this does take time and when you couple that with TV+, probably having to prepare some form of legal case against content thieves, it can be taking quite a bit of resources. Also they are converting all their boxes from the crap MDS’s to brand new I2 boxes. That also costs money and puts any legal issues with ex TARBS equipment, to rest. So, to cut a long story short, I’m prepared to give TV+ a fair go. They seem to have their hands full, all in a bid to do it proper. One comment I have for now is that there should be more heads up about the status. Obviously the non sensitive bits <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> Vlad...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ja: That's my problem. I was told when I joined that I will wait till arround 20-th of january for installation. I agreed to that. If it does not bother me there is no need for you to be bothered by how I spend my money. I don't care if UBi has somme arabic channels etc. I was looking for balkan chann. spec pink, bn and bk and guess what, all three of them on their web sites (not tv+ site) say that tv+ is broadcasting them. That's enough for me. Regarding the money? I don't care, I alredy lost everything I got in my life, house, job, country, I almoust lost my life, I was two times wounded in the balkan wars, you thinik I care about lousy 200$ after all this? No mate I really don't. <hr /></blockquote>Then why do you care this much WHO has the rights for those channells? [ 13. January 2005, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: fsking ]

Fsking I don't. I care only who lies to people. Darth ..... finally something we agree on. <blockquote>quote:<hr />Fact 1 is the legal issue of the Balkans feeds being pirated by UBI for which there is overwhelming evidence to support this claim. I still don’t totally agree with only one provider holding exclusive rights to particular content but it’s ethics that are now in question. UBI is clearly involved in theft and now if one couples that with what the same mob did whilst known as TARBS it makes me sick in the stomach to know that they were and still are involved in dishonest activities. <hr /></blockquote>I put my signature on your last post.

No, no, no... That's my post and my signature. I certainly didn't ask for anyone’s stamp of approval.

Mate, Ja's stamp of approval elevates your moderator status.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> Another Nasa tick perphaps <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Bwahahahaha LMAO <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Thought I'd pull the rug under your feet with the stamp of approval by Ja.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

I was saying that just to support you darth .... You know in serbian we say "Potpisujem tvoj stav ...." or "Potpisujem to sto si rekao ..." u znak slaganja. But then again I understand why you did not catch my meaning, I think you are born here and don't know actually 100% your people or its customs and says ... I wonder then what you find interesting in ethic tv's [ 13. January 2005, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: ja ]

Ja, I know exactly what you meant. I chose, however not to affiliate myself with anyone, especially on this forum. I have some friends here but it seems more enemies, as I do know how to rub people the wrong way and the rest of them are just plainly psychopaths! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> In actual fact I wasn’t born here but your close. As for Serbian culture, language and customs are concerned I could give any Serb here in Aus a good run for their money (ask around). Ethnic TV. I have very little interest in it. Pink TV I would not watch if my life depended on it! Fact is, if it weren’t for my family, friends and community, I would not even bother with it. Satellite technology fascinates me and I also have a degree in microelectronics. So If I have to pay for the content and recommend it to all, I’m going to make absolutely sure I/they get the best deal!

Darth Vader doesn't sound serbian to me... You should've been Milos Obilic or Vuk Brankovic .. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

hehehe

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mrgood: Darth Vader doesn't sound serbian to me... You should've been Milos Obilic or Vuk Brankovic .. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Yes, but the question is which one? There's one big difference between them.

I'm not serbian but would like to know what the big difference is between those two names, please inform us if you don't mind...Thanks...

fsking, The non-politicly sensitive version is one was a hero, the other a traitor.

One is to be proud of, the other to be ashamed of.

Thanks a lot, at least I can understand why ppl would get offended when they're called Vuk Brankovic.

How do you know which one is which?

I guessed the 1st one was given as the 1st description at Vlad's & your post. Am I right?

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by fsking: Am I right? <hr /></blockquote>You better hope so <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

What? Is it true or not? I don't want to upset someone on the forum by using wrong definitions.

I dont know mate , I was only stirring <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

lol

ROFL!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> fsking, yup your right.

fsking, now that you know difference between them, can you tell us, as a neutral member, can TARBS which behaved like one, start calling itself different name and expect us to believe that it's the other one >??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> p.s. If you don't understand what I wanted to say, no worries, I don't myself, either..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="images/icons/default/blush.gif" />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Fred: I have done my first install for pas 8 from B3 for the ku services there, but the owner had no box he just wanted the dish aligned to pas 8 and that was it. But I did notice a spare space in the cabinet and a blue ethernet cable sitting there doing nothing.??? <hr /></blockquote>I have done another 5 install this week to pas 8 all the customers had that dull look on their face <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> and didn't know why i had to move the dish or install the dish and why they had me install the dish to pas 8 in the first place. I love the bit Nooo speeeaker the English well!!!! Something going on or are all serbian people that private that they dont even know what the dish is for, I dont give a .... As i'm still getting $$$$

mrgood, TARBS is long gone. Dead! UBI is a new venture by the former owner of TARBS and multiple private investors. Do you think Mr B wanted TARBS gone? No! If you were on L6 on the last day of TARBS you would know the full story.

Fred, Quote to your post; """I have done another 5 install this week to pas 8 all the customers had that dull look on their face and didn't know why i had to move the dish or install the dish and why they had me install the dish to pas 8 in the first place. I love the bit Nooo speeeaker the English well!!!! Something going on or are all serbian people that private that they dont even know what the dish is for, I dont give a .... As i'm still getting $$$$""" What this has got to do with the topic! Can you please be more clear for what you're trying to say! It doesn't make any sense except a bit of discrimination towards serbs here! Please, explain and apologise from serbian members if you meant what you wrote. If I don't see any action from you than your posts will be removed. Thanks... [ 15. January 2005, 07:53 PM: Message edited by: fsking ]

Maybe serbian people don't know what is dish for, but they for sure can recognise dickheads....... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by fsking: Fred, Quote to your post; """I have done another 5 install this week to pas 8 all the customers had that dull look on their face and didn't know why i had to move the dish or install the dish and why they had me install the dish to pas 8 in the first place. I love the bit Nooo speeeaker the English well!!!! Something going on or are all serbian people that private that they dont even know what the dish is for, I dont give a .... As i'm still getting $$$$""" What this has got to do with the topic! Can you please be more clear for what you're trying to say! It doesn't make any sense except a bit of discrimination towards serbs here! Please, explain and apologise from serbian members if you meant what you wrote. If I don't see any action from you than your posts will be removed. Thanks... <hr /></blockquote>Hey fsking get off your horse. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> What trying to say is I have installed 11 dishes here in melbourne at pas 8 and none of the customers know what they are watching, or I found a ethernet cable sitting behind the TV cabinet or a Cabinet with a Box totally missing but a dreambox hand control sitting on the table, If your smart enough you can work that one out whats its for and what they are about to watch for nothing. Remove this post and i will complain to the admin.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mrgood: Maybe serbian people don't know what is dish for, but they for sure can recognise dickheads....... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>mrgood I still took their money <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> and one of the customers told me firmly that UBI will not be having the Balkans channels he was told, so I ask him I didn't know TV Plus were suppling dreamboxes for Tv plus. What dreambox? i said the hand control on the table mate, hey who is the dick head now mate poor TV plus they haven't even started yet and they are getting screwed. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

hehehe wat was his response when u told him whats the dreambox remote control for LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

Fred, This newly installed moderator has 'power' now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" />

Lazer The guy was quite nice but his face went red when I pointed to the control on the table, I don't care and it has nothing to do with me, Good luck to them, its TV Plus's problem. Yes But I also have been made Moderator and I was told by THE ADMIN not to remove post not unless its a personal attack or Avertising from a member on these forums.

THE ADMIN wants free speech

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Fred: Lazer The guy was quite nice but his face went red when I pointed to the control on the table, I don't care and it has nothing to do with me, Good luck to them, its TV Plus's problem. <hr /></blockquote>yes that right its tv plus's problem been hearing a fair few ppl from down here also that there getting these kind of setups ready for when tv plus encrypt ohh well i guess tv plus should of done abit more research before choosing this encryption system

Maybe they should have just asked UBI about their successful encryption. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> UBI might as well just continue broadcasting FTA. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/default/cool.gif" />

Hahaha, Too rite! you don't even need a Dreambox <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Fred, I'm back! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/default/cool.gif" /> to cut the long story short here. If you have any problem with the ppl who abuse the system than there is allways a way to stop them. You as an installer, have an important role in the ethnic community as great help to solve their problems by connecting dishes and their channels. Why do you make it such a big thing and make fun of those ppl/blame them for one incident and make them small in the ethnic community. Ppl don't care abouth the names but the ethnic background and based on your stories, they are the ones gets the kick here. My point was simple and clear as there is no such freedom when talking abouth some minority like 5-6 ppl then generalising that to blame the whole race for the same reason. Having a free speech does not give you any right to dicriminate or to put the serbs down here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> Thanks... [ 17. January 2005, 07:13 AM: Message edited by: fsking ]

Dreambox's cost about $1000 a pop. Subscription per year is what? $300-400? So where is the math? Don't be stupid Fred! The Dreambox and the remote on the table have been bought long before TV+ came around. I suggest Au$tar/Fox was being...let's say previewed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> No idiot will fork out $1000 bucks when he doesn't even know how long TV+ may or may not last. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> Vlad...

Darth Cheapest Dreambox is the DM-500 @$350 new , great little box , works perfect on card sharing. I picked one up for $300 via a bulk buy on Austech.info

Boring, Yep, I agree, but what I tried to point out is that those Dreamboxes Fred saw were there long before TV+. So when I get my 7025S Dreambox, it wont be because I want to scam TV+ or whatever...if you catch my drift here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> Vlad...

Darth Didn't want to tell the full story buy I might as well tell it in brief, 5 installations I did the customer wanted a new dish pointed at Pas 8 but they already had a dish and I expect it was pointing at optus C1, Now why would you want another dish when you got a dish there already?. So what you have is a nice looking TV cabinet with a spare position with no box in it, you have a ethernet cable on the ground behind the cabinet, you have a RG-6 cable sitting there doing nothing, and you have a dreambox hand control sitting on the table just sitting there. Darth !!! you said $1000 for a dreambox its not worth it, well look at this way, these families no doubt are sharing foxtel already so why not share the rest that on pas 8 and like I said the installs I did were all related thats how I got the job, I quoted for the 5 installs. I can see that most on these forums haven't got a clue what a dreambox can do. just imagine this I have a friend in Darwin he picks up and watches for free 1/Aurora 2/Austar 3/Dream TV on Agila what a great Pay TV service 4/Zee TV on Asiasat 3 and he doesn't even watch it , he just gets it for the fun of it 5/Anything on intelsat 701 yes that includes XXL and all the french channels. Yes all on one box using a Diseqce switch for plenty of dishes. Darth the dreambox is only as good as your brains will allow it to be and I bet you in Australia some have better setups then my friends. And you say $1000 is not worth it, mine only cost around $730 each from Austech 18 months ago. Fred

Fred You said anything on Intelsat 701, you cant share PBS its mentor, You must be Talking about the rest like Mediaguard, Viaccess. Don't be confused with Videoguard that cant be shared yet.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by fsking: Fred, I'm back! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/default/cool.gif" /> to cut the long story short here. If you have any problem with the ppl who abuse the system than there is allways a way to stop them. You as an installer, have an important role in the ethnic community as great help to solve their problems by connecting dishes and their channels. Why do you make it such a big thing and make fun of those ppl/blame them for one incident and make them small in the ethnic community. Ppl don't care abouth the names but the ethnic background and based on your stories, they are the ones gets the kick here. My point was simple and clear as there is no such freedom when talking abouth some minority like 5-6 ppl then generalising that to blame the whole race for the same reason. Having a free speech does not give you any right to dicriminate or to put the serbs down here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> Thanks... <hr /></blockquote>Fred, I'm still waiting for your answer....Read my post and act how you feel like but do not forget what you wrote before!

fsking He is not putting the serbs down he is telling it the way he see it. IF I went to someones house to install a dish I would expect them to know what they are about to watch, we all cant be that stupid Could you imagine you doing a install and asking the owner what are you going to watch and he says. "I DON'T KNOW",,,,,,,,,,,,,, I would be scratching my head too

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Boring: Darth Cheapest Dreambox is the DM-500 @$350 new , great little box , works perfect on card sharing. I picked one up for $300 via a bulk buy on Austech.info <hr /></blockquote>Yes thats cheap And when you look at it some outlets around Australia were getting rid of the old model DM 7000 for around $650. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> But For me via reports from many forums Austech.info is the best place to buy them for many reasons. It also has a Forum just for Dreambox only where you can get help as long as you don't post about Card Sharing thats under the counter via PM's. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> [ 17. January 2005, 08:40 AM: Message edited by: Phil Debono ]

Fred, you're getting nowhere with this story. The Serbs have already proven themselves with Tarbs, they subscribed legally in droves and they'll do it again, just don't piss them off.

Phil, my point had nothing to do with their intention to use the dishes/dreamboxes or hiding the staff, even giving silly answers, but rather, the way how Fred describes them like dump/stupid ppl plus generalising the issue. Thats all I was asking him to realise. Others, very well known by all of us and for sure have no disagrement about.

You must admit it was a silly thing to do, you hide the box but you leave the ir on the table? I would get a laugh out of that

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Liski: mrgood, TARBS is long gone. Dead! UBI is a new venture by the former owner of TARBS and multiple private investors. Do you think Mr B wanted TARBS gone? No! If you were on L6 on the last day of TARBS you would know the full story. <hr /></blockquote>Give me a break Liski, Mr B planned to have Tarbs failed from the very beginning otherwise why had he set it up in such a way that there were minimal assets owned by it, only the liabilities that were eventually written off (in his pocket).

Phil, As you may know by now, I like to see the ppl as friends rather than enemies here. If by anyone, any ethnic claim/blame/joke is made than the words must be said before it gets too far.

Fred, Let’s assume a person is watching Austar and i701 so on and so forth, with a dreambox. Now let’s assume he gets another dish and want’s you to direct it to PAS8. Now he doesn’t know you from a bar of soap. Why the hell wouldn’t he hide his dreambox? In this case it worked out he actually had good reason. Now this is irrespective of wether he actually had in mind to pirate TV+ in the first place. The fact is, you should have come to do what he called you and paid you to do. He did not want you to broadcast what set up you found at his home, which you did anyway! That's why he hid the box! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

20th tmr will tv plus encrypt there channels or will it encrypt in a few days time?? read somewere on this forum it would happen on the 20th or 25th ?? anyone know if this is goin to happen?

deleted cause posted in wroung forum <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> [ 19. January 2005, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]

Today is 20th of Jan. 2005. Expected encryption date for TV+...Any delays? or good news? I think, ppl need to see more quality than blank screens...My opinion...Regards to all..

just checked tv plus pas8 channels everything stil FTA [ 20. January 2005, 07:34 AM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]

TV+ still FTA, still terrible Audio/Video... Still same channels... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

Wait till 12am midninght, things might have a changeover to a new era.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by fsking: Wait till 12am midninght, things might have a changeover to a new era. <hr /></blockquote>Change? Like what? Maybe a new (promised) Balkan Channels? Maybe with Audio/Video worth watching/listening? Or maybe they'll hide behind encrypted signal <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> [ 20. January 2005, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: YU4CFG ]

Why being so negative towards TV+? And they haven't hurt anyone yet. You all sound like UBI's reps.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nick: Why being so negative towards TV+? And they haven't hurt anyone yet. You all sound like UBI's reps. <hr /></blockquote>Negative? I've just stated the obvious... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> Or maybe you are satisfied with the A/V quality? Maybe you can see some of promised channels? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" /> I want TV+ to be as good as UBI (or better) I want TV+ to show same number of Balkan Channels (or more) than UBI Than, we (subscribers) will benefit because if those two companies are offering the same, they'll have to think of something to attract new subscribers like lowering fees or providing more channels...etc

Couple weeks ago nobody argued about the quality when UBI were in front of others. Now suddenly the quality is an issue when UBI are threatened. I'm sure you guys would quickly come up with a new issue if the quality was fixed just to continue hammering TV+. I repeat what I said before, strategically for TV+ the quality is not important at the moment. This war will be won over other far more important issues.