ubi must understand this -no Vizyon, no turkish subscribers-<br /><br />Vizyon is a vital channel, I know many turkish ppl did not subscribe to UBI because no Vizyon in UBI line up. <br /><br />Without Vizyon it is impossible to watch prime time programs, even if you set your vcr and record one channel, you miss all other channel's prime time programs. so there is no point having 8, 10 or 100 channels.<br /><br />and believe me old ppl can never figure out setting VCRs out for future recording.<br /><br />I always wondered is it too diffucult to put 9 hours delay on some channels??? this is the only option I can think of to replace vizyon. <br /><br />if they can't afford to turn Vizyon alive, they should at least put 9 hours delay on Show tv, Kanal D and Atv, so ppl can watch morning programs in morning time, prime time programs at prime time. <br /><br />At the moment subscribers can only watch turkish morning cooking shows all night long !!!

Vizyon was an in-house channel that TARBS put together, and therefore will not be on the UBI WORLD TV platform. In future we are considering developing our own in-house channel for Turkish and other language services.

name is not important, vizyon, lisyon, losyon, whatever. <br /><br />I mean that kind of channel or a delaying process must take place.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> ...name is not important, vizyon, lisyon, losyon, whatever...<br /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">How 'bout: LOTION <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 30. November 2004, 12:31 PM: Message edited by: YU4CFG ]</small>

it's fine by me...

In future we are considering developing our own in-house channel for Turkish and other language services - As advised by UBI<br /> <br /> <small>[ 30. November 2004, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: Liski ]</small>

while they're preparing to that... why don't they simply broadcast 3 above-mentioned channels delayed ??? is it too difficult?

The whole point of TV is LIVE DIRECT TV if i'm not mistaken.

NO it is not... whole point is making the customers happy. <br /><br />Turkish channels aren't being broadcasted live in the US. At least some of them arent. they re-arrange the programs for their prime time. we can do that too by simply putting 9 hrs delay on some channels.<br /><br />I don't know your taste but I don't know anyone happy with the turkish programming. every night subscribers have to watch turkish morning shows. they never ever get to see good programs. And I know many families don't want to subscribe to UBI just because of this.<br /><br />now you tell me how long ubi will survive like this?<br /> <br /> <small>[ 30. November 2004, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: ShaRp ]</small>

Maybe they are letting it go for now once everything is organised they will put it all together at right time.

No wonder not many people have signed up for UBI from Melb. This is the reason.

Yes time for time shifting Foxtel do it for their channels like Showtime and Showtime2 + all the others. But unfortunately this costs money and transponder spots to do this, If you delay it people will complain, and if you don't they still will complain, you can't win! nor you can't please everybody.

Its time for UBI to talk and listen to its customers.<br />(Majority rules)

can't agree more. I understand establishing a new channel can be costly, but delaying some of them shouldn't.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> can't agree more. I understand establishing a new channel can be costly, but delaying some of them shouldn't. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Like about $80,000 per channel, ask Foxtel their still complaining <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

Time shifting Equipment is not cheap.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by P Debono:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> can't agree more. I understand establishing a new channel can be costly, but delaying some of them shouldn't. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Like about $80,000 per channel, ask Foxtel their still complaining <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">what channels on foxtel time shifted? I didn't know they had that. I only knew showtime 1 showtime 2 but they're different. its not shifting they're just circulating movies.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 30. November 2004, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: ShaRp ]</small>

most of there channels has a time shifted channel i think there is a 2hour delay on them for each channel<br /><br />and as for showtime and showtime 2 it is time shifted as soon as showtime finishes playing a movie showtime 2 start playing it from the begining again<br /> <br /> <small>[ 01. December 2004, 06:29 AM: Message edited by: Lazer ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by P Debono:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> can't agree more. I understand establishing a new channel can be costly, but delaying some of them shouldn't. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Like about $80,000 per channel, ask Foxtel their still complaining <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">what channels on foxtel time shifted? I didn't know they had that. I only knew showtime 1 showtime 2 but they're different. its not shifting they're just circulating movies. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Foxtel on there digital package now have many channels that are time shifted 2 hours only, and they are the EXACT CHANNELS shifted back 2 hrs, UBI could shift to 12 hrs or whatever, again its $$$$$ that a new company doesn't have.

My recommendation for the delayed transmission is recording each channels on LP DVD Recorders and Re-Trnasmitting them manually as this way is the cheapes solution for UBI. I still remember what sort of _piece of s..t fotocopy" TV_Guides they used to send us to save time and money and it was manually done at that time so why not this time. C'mon guys more brain more ideas for UBI to generate solution for free!

yeah, since they don't/can't, we should create ideas. But i doubt they give a damn about them.<br /><br />anyway one from me,similar to fsking's one but better than nothing...<br /><br />... they can use 3 PVRs for 3 channels. once they set them up for recording and playback times. they don't need to do much manually. how's that?<br /><br />if they don't know how much they are... they're $400-$500 on ebay. if they don't know what ebay is, they can search on google. if they don't know what google is, they can email and ask me. if they don't know what email is... hmmmm...<br /><br />...they'd better pack up their stuff and go before the second bankruptcy. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 01. December 2004, 10:37 AM: Message edited by: ShaRp ]</small>

Good idea, but wait to see if someone else comes up with a better one then ask Phil to submit the best possible solution if they care.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by P Debono:<br /><strong> Time shifting Equipment is not cheap. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well said Phil. Also recompiling to produce a channel like Vizyon is expensive as well.

Phil's on the ball again!<br />I think what UBI will do if ever they start to make a profit, they will re-invest it back into UBI and then you might see time shifting etc.

Hey we're speaking the same language.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

when tarbs went down it was 6 years old and never made profit.<br /><br />to be able to make profit u should provide service first make your customers happy and earn more customers... then think about making profit.<br /><br />if you say lets make money first then we'll think about customers' requests later, you'd definitely go down again and again.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 02. December 2004, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: ShaRp ]</small>

In addition to ShaRp's comment, new Pay Tv providers TV Plus etc will generate more competitive market, then forget forget more profits, they will have more trouble to keep their existing customers, well, most probably excluding Turkish customers as the channels were already gone by UBI.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> when tarbs went down it was 6 years old and never made profit.<br /><br />to be able to make profit u should provide service first make your customers happy and earn more customers... then think about making profit.<br /><br />if you say lets make money first then we'll think about customers' requests later, you'd definitely go down again and again. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">FOXTEL is still making a loss mate and they have been in it longer. Its how big your pockets are at the end of the day. In this case Telstra ...<br /><br />Pay TV is a money draining venture especially when trying to acquire subscribers..

I cant understand why they cant make it more cheaper and make money on the volume of subscribers. Since there is only crap on FTA chanells on TV, ppl will pay gladly if it was cheaper.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ZuluChief:<br /><strong> I cant understand why they cant make it more cheaper and make money on the volume of subscribers. Since there is only crap on FTA chanells on TV, ppl will pay gladly if it was cheaper. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">In addition that they allready found ways to save more in running costs as they do not deal with free installations, free technical service etc. Thing few months back how its all started. Firstly was FTA so ppl can get their dish/lnb adjustments fixed with no cost to UBI then the Tarbs box story, even charged $49 one off for the service to establish the box/card merge with authorisation. So, my point is UBI has allready made very good savings in this transition, why not use this opprtunity to make more customers with trust and reliability.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 06. December 2004, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: ShaRp ]</small>

hey speaka the Englander for all to read

Nein we kill all Englander.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Hi All,<br />Just found a new box from SONY which has 7 tuner, it can record all 7 channels with time delay and heaps functions. Its SONY VAIO TYPE X for sale $6500.00 in Japan. Another recommendation to UBI for time delaying solutions for the live Turkish channels.

thats good you never give up fsking <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />hope they will listen to u.

There will hopefully be a similar service to Vizyon in the future but at the moment I guess the focus is to get the channels line-up done and then look at in-house produced channels. It took TARBS 2 years to develop and produce Vizyon and it wasn't a easy thing to do plus alot of time and people were involved.

Yes and more staff required, and staff cost $$$$$ so until more cash flow comes in I would say not for a while.!

we already gave up on vizyon<br /><br />here, we were discussing about time delaying process.

ShaRp, I started loosing my hope of the time delay process for the Turkish channels and UBI-VIZYON which will not happen for the next year or two as mentioned it took two years to prepare the original VIZYON by Tarbs. So, It will be very difficult to make a decision for most of the ppl as there is not many options left. Sleepless nights coming back soon...<br /> <br /> <small>[ 08. December 2004, 12:28 AM: Message edited by: fsking ]</small>

fsking!In Israel is special place called<br />RRSatellite Communication,where they do Uplinks<br />and Downlinks for all continents and time delay<br />to,including Australia<br />Regards

All I can say, if ubi doesn't do time delaying, there is not many turkish people around me would subscribe.<br /><br />it's their choice.

Sharp!Some good prog.Russian tv provaiders<br />shows twice.Once for MSC time-once for us<br />We are 7-8 hours in front with Europe.That is a<br />proplem<br />Regards

Sharp,<br /><br />It's very simple if you don't want to join UBI as there is no Vizyon then don't. You can wait for it to start and then join. Most Turkish people still want to join without Vizyon.<br /><br />No other language service has a time delay either and I'm not happy with some of my shows being shown early in the morning and there is nothing I can do about it unless I record the show and watch it after work.

None of the Arabic channels had time delay and and there are a lot of Arab subscribers and do you see people complain? even the GREEK channels had time delay and its not even as big as the Arab subscribers<br />So I say, you have your turkish channels so enjoy them, better than not having any at all.

I don't get people. I remember my old man spending over $200 in early 80's for a short wave radio just to listen to static that sometimes sounded like Turkish radio. Then middle 80's there was the video which I remeber cost us over $1000 and hiring tapes was around $10 a movie. Since then we have had a string of Video shops hiring out bad quality tapes that usually ended up damaging your video. We now have the privilege of watching LIVE programs at a cost of $2 a day. I agree with Dan04,make the most of what you have. I suppose you just can't please everyone.

Guys, I went through the same shit problems as most ethnics did and believe me or not but I'm very glad to see those channels transferred live in Australia. ShaRp's point and what I'm totally agree with that is the majority of the programs Turkish ppl likes/wants to watch are very late at night or very early in the morning, therefore ppl used to setup timer recording in a VCR and record the most wanted and missed out the rest. When Tarbs introduced VIZYON TV, they conbined most of the Turkish channels with their very famous series/programs and re-transmitted @ much proper time of the day. That's the platform we were discussing. If we take your comment as "enjoy what you have and shut up" then there will be no suggestions, no improvements with UBI as If no one tells them what needs to be done, they won't do it. It's that simple.

It's different when they make a suggestion and provide feedback but different when they go on and on about the same topic constantly about not joining UBI if there is no Vizyon.<br /><br />UBI know that the Turkish would like Vizyon but there are other things to think about and work on before that can occur like finishing off the other packages first.

Look i have to agree that Vizyon was a great channel and that it is missed very much by the turkish community (including myself). But if we remember back to the time TARBS first died we had NOTHING except TRT which in my personal opinion isn't worth watching!! Therefore we should all be grateful for what we've got(especially LIG TV) and just hope that Vizyon or somethiing like it will be introduced by UBI in the future.

cim bom bom bom

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Engineer:<br /><strong> cim bom bom bom </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> ???

just agreeing with Imparator_Fatih_Terim. He understands what I mean.

Yes all takes time, just think about the poor Greeks and the Spanish population, what have they got to cheer about yet.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by P Debono:<br /><strong> Yes all takes time, just think about the poor Greeks and the Spanish population, what have they got to cheer about yet. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And US the Brasilian/Portuguese ??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/default/frown.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/default/frown.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 08. December 2004, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: joe_br ]</small>

Gentlemens, I have no arguments for your views/comments as I agree most of them except that I never said "if no Vizyon - no Turkish subs". Offcourse, I'm very gratefull for what we have specially SHOW-TV & LIG-TV, and suggestions were made after reading some comments about the cost of the time delaying. We all are very happy for our Turkish channels as mentioned many times @ previous posts but it was just sharing the good and the bad sides of what we have now comparing with what we had in the past.. Please, do not threat those comments as winging, it was purely recommendations to pointout some solutions. I forgot to mention the most important thing about time-delaying for the channels, LIG-TV must be left in its original time frame as no one likes to watch live match as replay with its score known. Thanks for all the support... RE RE RE, RA RA RA, GALATASARAY, GALATASARAY, CIM BOM BOM...<br /> <br /> <small>[ 09. December 2004, 06:15 AM: Message edited by: fsking ]</small>

The score from the Champions League has just come in FENERBAHCE 3 Man U 0 i can't believe it.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by imparator_fatih_terim:<br /><strong> The score from the Champions League has just come in FENERBAHCE 3 Man U 0 i can't believe it. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Its all part of Manchester's plan as loosing this game to became 2nd in the group as written in most of the papers yesterday. Do you realy belive FB can beat Manchester United? They wouldn't even dream about this score. Why the hell, those idiots brought the 2nd team as replacements of the replacements to secure the loss versus FB. They should have scored more in the 2nd match so Daum could not become the hero from the zero!.

yeah, but its OK GS will kick some ass this week and bring FB back down to earth..

Don't forget, everybody will say FB is gonna win the match after seeing this victory over Manchester U. even FB players will be so friggen confident over winning. History shows that there is only GALATASARAY represents internationally without any shame and allways teach to those smart asses a good lesson.

Just got my Turkish Channels, will be watching the game live <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

Lucky man! I'm waiting for mine. I will try to watch it live even if I can't get the subs by time. I may go to my friend's place for weekend. Good luck to all of us. I hope we give them an unforgetable lesson with a good score. <br />-------------------------------------<br />GALATASARAY - THE BEST OF THE TURKISH FOOTBALL <br />CHAMPION OF THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2000<br />CHAMPION OF THE SUPER CUP 2000

insallah...

Sharp,<br /><br />I got a feeling it will be a draw.

Its not acceptable as we play in homeland, we need 3 points and must win this match to make close to the lead.