I have spotted a new box from China today that does UBI, very cheap looking thing but works, Yes I did ask to change to the Turk channels and they were there. I had to go back as I installed the dish and the guy complained that it was out of alignment, he tried to hide the box but I spotted it as the channel was working but had a different tool bar then on a Tarbs box

wow looks like some people will enjoy free programs again...lucky em

Phil<br />Didn't you warn Tarbs and now UBI about this??

I just wonder if there ll ever be a time when it wont be cracked at ALL looks like not!!!

Melbourne is the capital of Piracy, there are some smart pricks down here.

Is it true that some of the piracy forum have gone underground, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> and they do not accept new members at all, in other words its the same smart crew that has been getting around from the thioc.com days. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Fred:<br /><strong> Is it true that some of the piracy forum have gone underground, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> and they do not accept new members at all, in other words its the same smart crew that has been getting around from the thioc.com days. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Not this again, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" /> The Thoic.com days Haaaaaaaaaaa does anyone remember Mad Max?, yes you are correct they have gone deep underground and cannot be accessed, its very similiar to this Private forum but the difference is its SUPER PRIVATE no one can access without physically knowing the person, also 100% of them have been friends for a long time so this elimates spies and stooges in their forum.<br />About informing TARBS/UBI about piracy I have told TARBS about 20 times about the problem, I even sent a tapped conversation to TARBS with proof about this matter, I was going to buy one of these boxes to see what make them tick but I declined. But mainly they would have never sold me one. How this mob in Melbourne works is very clever, they attack one Arabic family, sell them like 15 boxes for 15 families and they are told not to let anyone interfere or touch the boxes. Otherwise, it will be your fault if you have no pictures and because most ethnics today are very tight lipped, they do what they are told. This is a problem and its now up to UBI to do something about it. Regarding the new chinese boxes, I have a friend of mine in Indonesia who lets me know what's floating around. Also, I have from another reliable source, months ago that they were sampling the signal off Telstar 10 to perfect these new boxes. Maybe Telstar 10 was a mistake for UBI as the footprint covers a large part of the globe which allows the crooks to sample the transport stream. If some of you older guys remember, Mr Mad Max went to Thailand or one of those other poxy countries and sampled the transport stream and stuck it on a hard disk but got caught and sent to jail but he eventually got out. I am starting to hear too many reports about these mystery boxes but again, I suspect that they will only be sold in very secret outlets with stringent conditions. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

how long ago where these thoic.com days i wonder? what was the site about anyway?

Thoic.co was the best most powerful piracy forum before it was shut down, ( now i won't get into Dr7.com) some shocking thing and rumours happened on this site, Yes mystery algorithm's apppeared on this site sent by a Mysterious mob which caused HAVOC in some Pay TV companies around the world, there were accusations flying around that they were sent there by opposition Pay TV companies. Trust me it was rough them days not that long ago (5 years ago)

I can never understand the mentality of someone trying to save $2 a day. Is anyone really that poor in Australia? Or do they just feel good about having no morality. And to top it off, most of these people are bringing up kids in a household where watching TV is "stealing" and the children know it!<br /><br />Still, you talk to some of these 'parents' and they seem like quite good people. Almost pious and outstanding citizens??? Go figure!!

TARBS was stealing some chanels so why not steal from TARBS? I'm talking TARBS not UBI, because TARBS was stealing some shanels (proven! for example RTS (statment of the general manager of the RTS that they did not have any idea RTS was broadcasted in Australia, you can check on forum on their site)<br />We will se will the UBI steal soon.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 24. November 2004, 05:23 AM: Message edited by: ja ]</small>

ja you're off topic we are talking about piracy, foxtel austar still have the problem today.<br />Please don't start this about stealing again.

UBI have really got to do something about this piracy problem because after a while people will turn to the pirated boxes instead of paying the monthly fee. If that happens then UBI will sink just like TARBS did and i'm sure nobody wants to see that happen.<br /><br />Maybe they can change the encryption, i don't know what they can do but they have to do something!!

I agree, I thought Optus would've forced UBI to use a more secure system, but as Oxford_falls said, this is only temporary.

Yes I have done my bit!! Talk about ruthless At Oxford_falls I wonder where he is?<br />Don't worry UBI are reading.

"ja you're off topic we are talking about piracy, foxtel austar still have the problem today.<br />Please don't start this about stealing again."<br /><br />I'm not off topic.<br />This topic is about STEALING and PIRACY and how some boxes from China can do that. I just wrote the other end of this story.<br /><br />Or you are teling that TARBS stealing was not a piracy?!

No its about piracy as in the Boxes

ja,<br /><br />build a bridge ang get over it man <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />Why is everyone so plucking ego-centric?! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 24. November 2004, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: Lazer ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Vlad:<br /><strong> ja,<br /><br />build a bridge ang get over it man <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />Why is everyone so plucking ego-centric?! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">sorry vlad was meant to qoute u not edit ur post i pressed the wroung button <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <br /><br />couldt agree with u more <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 24. November 2004, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: Lazer ]</small>

amen

I think if we get treated the civilised way we will all want to pay just to keep our ethnic tv alive. If eg. prices start skyrocketing or for any other sinnister reasons, some of us will try to find the cheap way to get the same with very little remorses. All of course within the rules of business (all has to pay off).<br />Mr Boulos has to show rather more heart and go honestly all the way so people don't go the wrong path. All due to his past sins... This way he will always have our sympathy in his battle with allmighty Fuxtel and the alikes...

I totally agree.

Guys come on, where is a turk/greek/human going to find 60 bucks a month on the dole for ubi/foxtel or any pay tv at that price....<br /><br />Its like anything, we all want to drive ferraris but we drive holdens and fords.<br /><br />And I bet when you goto bali and get those cheap rolex copies for 10 bucks and the misses gets the cheap luis vetton(sp?) handbag for 10 bucks, I bet you have smiles all over you faces that you didnt fork out 10 grand for the stuff..<br /><br />I just wished, (my personal wish) that pay tv was no more than 30 bucks per month.Then why would you want to fork out for a pirate box???<br /><br />Its all economics, if there is enough margin in it the pirate boys will be in there to make a buck.<br /><br />mixos 2 cents for the day!<br /><br />p.s piracy doesnt make the price go up, that utter bulltish..look at foxtel, there is NO piracy of its signal, getting so many new connects so they say and the PRICE still goes up!

p.s piracy doesnt make the price go up, that utter bulltish..look at foxtel, there is NO piracy of its signal, getting so many new connects so they say and the PRICE still goes <br /><br /><br />You'r Right!<br /> <br /> <small>[ 24. November 2004, 11:59 PM: Message edited by: @KO ]</small>

I build the f. bridge, thats why I'm here.<br />I'm asking very simple question, ex company TARBS was broadcasting some chanels without their knowledge or any financial compensation (proven), can we call that piracy as well?<br /><br />Or you UBI lovers call that somehow diferent?<br /><br /><br />So if you hit me that's OK, but when I hit you back thats not OK!<br /><br />Nice .....

ja, I don't want to talk about that because this is what started the trouble in the forum in the first place, I ask you something nicely but you ignore me and you persist

Supply and demand....that's all it is guys<br /><br />For example :<br />When thieves pinch a plasma TV and approaches you to buy it ....if you say yes ....he will do it again and again....if we all say NO !! then these thieves are out of business.<br /><br />PAY TV : All the people (demand ) who accept and pay these thieves to install pirate pay TV, you are guilty as the thieves (supply).<br /><br />I agree with MIXO, if the prices for ALL pay TV was fair and reasonable then people who can not afford to pay outrageous prices will be willing to pay rather than steal.<br /><br />Back in the TARBS era there were many families of many nationalities that I heard of and knew of who cancelled their subscription to TARBS and paid thieves to connected free Pay TV.<br /><br />It is in the nature of the human species to look for a bargain and cheapest prices.<br /><br />UBI or any other pay TV provider are NOT a charity organisation, they need to make a profit to survive, but at the same token they need to treat customers with respect and fair manner.<br /><br />"treat a dog with love and respect and he will be loyal to you for LIFE... mistreat the dog and soon he will bite "

Yes, I have always said Pay TV in australia is too expensive, Look at foxtel, If they would half the price they would have 4 times the customers, its just to expensive.<br />Look at DVD's I paid $46 for Pearl Harbour, I complained but the shop,he still took my money but what has this done everyone now is ripping DVD's<br />Yes you are correct Us WOGS are loyal but if we are shit on,,, well I won't get into that what goes through my mind.

Poor RTS...<br />TARBS has made millions on the fact it got RTS free.... Yeah rite! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />RTS is FTA in Europe. Free To Air, by whoever wants's to air their goddamned channel. What plucking consent do you need to air something that's free?<br /><br />RTS, and for that matter any other station that’s FTA, would even thank someone for paying the relay to Australia. It costs big bucks! RTS gets the benefit of their country mates being able to view their FTA at no cost to RTA. The folk advertising on RTA also benefit from an extra 100,000 people viewing their ads. <br /><br />We here watch RTA and pay, but pay for the relaying of the signal to Australia, obviously, a portion of the business cost and some profit.<br /><br />What's this I hit you, you hit me business? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

I dont think anyone really wants to do the wrong thing, but you are offered something for near nothing, then, the brain does the sums and you say YES...<br /><br />Like i have said before price something resonable, no mater what it is, then there is no margin for pirates, then we would never have this conversation...<br /><br />And if the story is right about pirate boxes, then ubi has already lost the war on this and most likely fail as a company ....

mixo,<br />Yes, you r rite. This is Australia, though and providers, no, all businesses have us folk by the short and curly’s!<br />We, as people here in AUS are so complacent that we cop up the arse whatever anyone dishes out! Starting from the government down to your local green grocer. <br />Lets take pay TV for example.<br />Try telling a Yank he has to pay a sub and you charge him to put a box in his house…Ha! He would say: “Your not putting that shit in my house!!! I have a green and purple striped box, which matches my decor, SPDIF Audio, fibre-optic video, and springs that make the box move to the rhythm of the beat. Here is my money, give me the sub card or get plucked, I’ll take my business elsewhere!<br />On the other hand you have us here…”Sorry, how much? $500 bucks?! Gee that’s a bit steep? Well I have no choice, really. Oh ok, I have to purchase the box too, do I? Pardon, its 2 meters by 2 meters big and ways 10kg’s? Ok I’ll have to shift the lounge around chuck out the coffee table and take out the video recorder and it should fit. Sorry? It only does MONO? So you mean my surround sound system is useless? Oh well never mind..."<br /><br />Get the drift?<br /><br /><strong>We need to learn to say “It’s just not good enough!!!" </strong><br /> <br /> <small>[ 25. November 2004, 07:47 AM: Message edited by: Vlad ]</small>

Yes Australia is a small country with a small population, and having No competition all Pay TV companies are losing money and I don't think they will ever make any. Remember Australia is a country they relies on Credit cards, have huge mortgages, so on so on, I have said this before if ever the interest rates go up pay TV like the likes of Foxtel and Austar are out the window. For UBI its slightly different, the ethnic population want it not just to watch TV, its about television from their origin.<br />As for the Pirates they are getting more sofisticated by the Day. Look at Austar they spend Millions replacing cards and on the same day Card sharing networks pop up all over Australia. The Internet and ADSL/BroadBand took care of that.<br />For me Foxtel are smart, they are slowly phasing out Irdeto 2, mind you they also spent millions replacing Irdeto 2 cards and a week later they are now going to NDS, talk about a waste of money and confusion. Yes they are now replacing it with NDS and as NDS stand at the moment, it cant be read or card shared. But when it comes to card sharing only the Brainy can do that or they have to pay someone to set it up and because its very complicated it will never get out of hand like the GOLD CARDS DID.<br />PS wouldn't it be funny one day when Foxtel is fully NDS, Austar are Still on Irdeto2 and Mysteriously like the Thoic.com days Irdeto 2 ALGORITHM is mysteriously put on a pirate forum which causes Austar to Crash with piracy problems like other countries around the world and our Mate Murdoch picks up the pieces and in this case Foxtel picks up the pieces.

About fair price: NTV PLUS in the basic packet offers 47 channels, 3/4 of them either Russian or translated in Russian, anywere in Europe for just 18.95 US$ per month. Is it fair? I beleive - more than <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> , at least for us. But still many trying to avoid paying even this <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> .

Hi All,<br />All Satellite TV channells transmitted by UBI are 100% FTA except Lig-TV in Europe. All you need is a dish/lnb and a box to watch them so we all know that, transferring those channels from there to here is a matter of some transponder channel costs. I made some quick calculations for UBI charges as following;<br />$49.00 x 50000 = $2.45m one off establishment,<br />$55.00 x 50000 = $2.75m x 12months = $33m, average payment for 1 year of 50000 customers as claimed to be about 54000 old TARBS customers. Plus the new box buy&sell busines will make at least about $2-$3m for UBI.<br />Please think about how much money UBI is gonna make without any installment costs as the existing TARBS systems being used to receive the signals by UBI directives and still being charged for it specially to Turkish people. I wonder if any of you know that the only ethnic group punished for being a loyal to TARBS is Turks as they are forced to subscibe to UBI to be able to watch the channels but only ones with the old TARBS boxes. Most of us were told that there is nothing avail until the new boxes arrive. I reckon some pricks got the boxes before UBI made the purchase as allready started watching even without any subs. I don't know if there is a way to tell them that we as Australians deserve to get cheaper and fair pay-tv. Most of the European channels are offered free as long as the transfer costs is paid. On the other hand, Some of the old TARBS customers even paid for their boxes and it will be very unfair to charge them for another box. Also the ones as they were loyal and kept the boxes are the lucky ones as they don't need to pay anything for the box. Its a bit complex for everyone but simply everyone is trying to look after him/herself. Good luck to rest of us. Thanks...

Hey just because channels broadcast FTA in some parts of the world does not mean they can be FTA elsewere.<br /><br />They only buy program rights to transmit their programs to certain countrys in the footprint of the satelite. <br /><br />To broadcast into Australia may mean they have to pay more $$$$$ in aquiring program broadcast rights.<br /><br />Thats why "International" or "SAT" versions of some channel exist

First of all use Hi! NOT Hey! If an FTA channel is transferred from EU to here with its broadcasting rights as TARBS dis and hold the rights then was claimed to be the owner's had all the rights. So, where the money sinks? But we are still forced to pay lots of dollars for the channels might be free to UBI! Right.

To keep the Turkish people at ease, I can confirm that UBI have rights to the Turkish channels that are being broadcast. I have written and verbal confirmation from some of the channels. Hence this means that UBI is paying for these rights, how much I don't know. However UBI told one of the channels that the cost to the public would be around $30 to $40 a month. We all now know that this is not the case.

Look at it like this, if you could save a buck in your pocket no matter if it was legit or not you would do it.<br /><br />The price of living is going up, everything around it is also going up, the only thing that isnt going up is peoples income.<br /><br />Piracy exists and yes piracy does cause the price of items to go up.<br />Look at the thousand upon thousands of dollars that Foxtel spent to prevent the Analogue Piracy. If the people stealling the bloody signal had just hooked up and used the service then they wouldnt need to spend money on preventative measures, not needing to then put prices up to cover costs.<br /><br />I am a wog and with a wog mentality of if i can get it for free ill take it. But i also understand comeing from the otherside working for one of these companies that it does cause head aches piracy.<br /><br />Just pay for it, if you cant afford it walk away from it!! Most people want to live the life of a King but dont want to part with their money to do it.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 26. November 2004, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: KAOS ]</small>

Foxtel spend over 20 Million to stop the problem and there still spending, If its cheap enough you don't need to steal it period.

Don't say twice there is smart people around which can hack any pay TV in the world, Foxtel is 0,<br /><br />JUST FOR HOBBY NOT FOR PROFIT!!

There is new Macedonian channel coming to TV plus,<br />and other one Croatian to UBI.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fsking:<br /><strong> First of all use Hi! NOT Hey! If an FTA channel is transferred from EU to here with its broadcasting rights as TARBS dis and hold the rights then was claimed to be the owner's had all the rights. So, where the money sinks? But we are still forced to pay lots of dollars for the channels might be free to UBI! Right. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Its not that straight forward fsking. What about setting up the teleport including headend, conditional access, dishes etc..<br /><br />If UBI won't bring in these channels, you think someone else will and charge you peanuts for it.. Get real.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

Yes but this equation doesn't add up either:<br /><br />UBI $60 = couple FTA channels and no sport included<br />Foxtel $70 = dozens megabucks channels and all the sport included

UBI = hopefully profitable<br />Foxtel = have run at a loss since creation

Yes it was in the papers again foxtel lost $40 Million and thats after it campaigned on slimming the company. In my opinion Foxtel and Austar will be in big trouble in the next 12 months, mind you telstra's side of it wants out but you would have to be a lunatic to buy their share. Foxtel alone have lost over $250 million since start up and nothing will change. Till today Foxtel are full of FAT fish getting their Fat wages. GET RID OF THEM, if they ran the Business like UBI they would only have 100 Staff MAX. FOXTEL you're TOO EXPENSIVE !!!!!!!!!! you will drown in your debt or are you waiting to screw Austar to take over their customers?.<br />Now wonder they wanted TARBS and its English channels out of the way.

As a customer I don't care if a business runs at a loss, it's their problem, all I care about is getting the more for less. Advice to all, if you find a cheaper product or service then jump onto it straight away and enjoy while it lasts, otherwise you'll regret it later. Don't be loyal to your existing providers, they don't care about you, all they want is your wallet.

Yes its there problem.<br />The problem is if they run at a loss for to long whats the good of being in business.

And who will bring the ethnic channels in for ethnic ppl in Australia.<br /><br />Globecast is not doing it for free mind you. They are charging the programme providers for satellite capacity etc.. to bring it in. And the programme providers do not see any monetary return from their investment either. They would rather spend this money on producing programmes.<br /><br />TV programming is not like every other product that anyone can copy and sell.

Big Chief, None of the Pay-TV provider is doing ethnic programming here, its like copy & paste, drag & drop business. The only change is their logo on top of the original channels one...

Yes its more passing through.. what I am refering to is, you cannot compare it to say buying blank dvd's.<br /><br />You can't get Turkish programming from China...

Most of those channels are FTA in Europe but bringing them through transponders needs payment to the sat owners and also transmission licences is another major cost to the companies...

Thats what I am tryng to tell Nick..

Why not use the cheaper ground transmission options? I wouldn't mind a delay of few seconds or even minutes if it's going to halve the cost.

What ground transmission? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

fibre transmission links...

You don't call that ground transmission. And thats not cheap either..

Actually, UBI is getting more and more channels over fibre. Quality is better and costs are lower. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

Great, now all we need is a 6M speed broadband and a good streaming software to get the channels into our living rooms for really cheap. Just imaging the savings generated by eliminating the sat uplink/transmission and other related costs.

Not everyone has broadband...

And fast computer...

Apparently Optus is working on pay TV over ADSL. Will it include UBI content? Someone must have a clue, come on give us a hint.

Unlikely to happen for quite a while Nick , ADSL at 1.5 mb is far too slow and thats generally the fastest most providers offer.<br /><br />Imagine the bandwidth bill.

I meant new ADSL2+ which is in pipeline for this year.

Too slow a roll out , most will be waiting years.<br /><br />ADSL2 roll out is only to selected exchanges , I read Primus's exchange list for this year and its not big .<br /><br />Most will be waiting a few years. We are well behind most of the civilised world <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/default/frown.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Boring:<br /><strong> ...We are well behind most of the civilised world <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/default/frown.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Noooo... We already using COLOUR TV, FM radio is developing rapidly... In a few years (with some luck) we will enjoy Teletext on more than one terrestrial channel... Who knows what is next... Maybe Teletext on Satellite CHs? WOW !<br /><br />PS: For people who didn't notice, I'm being sarcastic... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

I don't know about the rest of Australia but Sydney's okay, we even have wireless ISPs. I'd say blame Telstra for that and the lack of competition.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Nick:<br /><strong> I don't know about the rest of Australia but Sydney's okay, we even have wireless ISPs. I'd say blame Telstra for that and the lack of competition. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Lots of us sat c band lovers hate wireless isp's, as for Telstra you watch the price drop as soon as internet over the mains starts in the end of this year, forget wireless internet wherever there is 240Volts you will be able to get the internet. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

We, in all the capitals of OZ, and spreading rapidly, now have iBurst®.<br /><br />It is registered freq of 1.9GHz and static IP where ever you are in Australia. PCMCIA on notebooks and standard desktop unit too. At up to 1Mbps (firmware upgrade in the future to 16Mbps)...It rocks!!! <br /><br />Not that that has anything to do with sat TV over IP, hehehe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />