Satfreak<br /><br />For a "satfreak" , encryption is obviously not one of your stronger points :)Your quote :<br /><br />" Yea and when the service drops out more than 70% of the time cause the refresh rate on the keys is sub 20sec lets see them keep with their boxes.. "<br /><br />Please tell me how this will happen. I can watch Foxtel and Austar's Pay TV services without a subscription card ( I do have one though , I dont believe in a total free ride )and the picture does NOT break up. If Foxtel and Austar could do anything to stop it they would , your sub 20 second refresh rate is simply dreaming.<br /><br />Any ethnic service provider using Irdeto encryption will suffer card sharing. Its not hard to setup , and even easier to connect to.<br /><br />if you think it wont happen , you are dreaming