Few hours ago, I've found out that my receiver STB-3100 has been disabled by U.B.I.<br /><br />At the moment it's only my opinion but I'll look for legal advise ASAP because I have legally bought STB-3100 from TARBS, therefore that receiver is mine and nobody should make it defective on purpose. That is what U.B.I. just did not only to my receiver but also to hundreds (if not thousands) receivers all across Australia.<br /><br />I can understand that U.B.I. is fighting against "moded" boxes but this is not the way.<br /><br />If Australian Government provides (legally, financially or otherwise) a Multicultural Channel like SCTV, which has been broadcasting at one of U.B.I. transponders, and it's FTA, everyone with a receiver (legally owned) should be able to watch it.<br />Right now, I have been (as many others) prevented of my right to watch SCTV using my satellite receiver.<br /><br />I demand from U.B.I. to immediately enable my receiver. If anyone encountered the same problem, please contact me through this board.

YU4CFG<br />Where have you been because i cannot believe what i'm reading it has been explained 1000 times not to have a ubi box on ubi satellite if you don't want ubi because it will automatically shut you box down if you are not in there data base. This has been also said on other forums repeated 10,000 times what is wrong with you. Once your box is activated and you don't want ubi keep away from ubi as for sctv i don't know that. For a person that has 933 post I cannot believe what I'm reading.

I agree with YU4CFG. They have no right to disable a box which you have purchased outright. They dont own the satellite you are pointed at nor do they own the transponders , they rent them.<br /><br />This is the problem you get when you sell equipment outright.Well , TARBS did , but UBI took over the lot.

I'm not even going to bother answering this question. It's been explained a million of times.<br /><br />If you feel like you need to seek legal advise then go for it.<br /><br />I do not think the Australian Government have anything to do with SCTV.<br /><br />UBI will not enable your IRD. If you wish to watch FTA channel then purchase a ture FTA IRD as the TARBS IRD is a PAY TV IRD.

YU4CFG,<br /><br />WOW and I am the noob here. I have how many? 5 Posts, at this point in time? <br /><br />I have read this about 15 times where if you want your MDS STB3100/3110 enabled for FTA then give UBI a call, give them your receivers details tell them you wish to use your Decoder for FTA on another satellite and they will enable it and give you 1 week before they disable it, this gives you time to have your unit re-enabled and used for another satellite. Your unit will NOT work on Optus B3 for any FTA though as UBI use this Satellite for their PayTV packages.<br /><br />It may suck for you and others as it once did for me, but you can purchase a receiver these days for a little under $200 (cheaper than the 3100/3110's) and they will do FTA and even have CI CAM slots. Take my word and many others words for it also the MDS STB3100/3110 do not make good FTA units.

The STB 3100 and 3110 are a shit of a box for fta, don't even waste your time. Cheap boxs from $150 to the New model dreambox for over $800 and If I had the money I would buy a Dreambox as its incredible what they can do. the one I spotted From a Serb family had TV Plus (irdeto) had Foxtel (NDS), and even The French channels on it from 701 (Seca) all on a Card sharing networking from different servers, also he had it set up to get all the free to air channels possible in Australia via DISEqC, All other boxes are shit they don't even rate against the dreambox.

We were all warned not to use the TARBS junk on a UBI transponder to get FTA. No excuses if its dead.

Muazb,<br /><br />Your instructions are incorrect. UBI will not enable the IRD and give you 1 week to change the freq.<br /><br />UBI will no longer enable the IRD. If you don't want your IRD disabled don't tune to the UBI freq unless your going to subscribe to UBI.

So bad luck for YU4CFG? I can see both sides to the story, but there must be other ways UBI can protect its product. So for someone woh has no idea about this, and they turn there dish towards B3 and enter a UBI freq, it's bad luck for them?

Reuder,<br /><br />There is no other way. Each TABRS IRD has an SSN and SmartCard number now if those numbers are not in a contract the UBI system will disable it hence if you wish to watch any FTA channels on UBI use a true FTA IRD.

Have a look at his post count he must have known that not to use the box for FTA, A newbie far enough? but he is a Moderator with plenty of post on this forum Doesn't he read this forum, Look I'm a Newbie and I read this forum and thankyou for the Good info but again how can the moderatore of the UBI forum get sucked in, something doesn't add up, I an not being cheakie I am just asking a sensible question.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LISKI iTV:<br /><strong> Reuder,<br /><br />There is no other way. Each TABRS IRD has an SSN and SmartCard number now if those numbers are not in a contract the UBI system will disable it hence if you wish to watch any FTA channels on UBI use a true FTA IRD. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ok fair enough, but why aren't people told about this, either on the website or through a press release issued to the ethnic radio stations/newspapers?<br />Also, how does Tvplus block it's FTA signal to Tarbs STBs without disabling them? Last question, since we're talking about the Tarbs STB, who owns them?<br />Cheers

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LISKI iTV:<br /><strong> I'm not even going to bother answering this question. It's been explained a million of times.<br /><br />If you feel like you need to seek legal advise then go for it.<br /><br />I do not think the Australian Government have anything to do with SCTV.<br /><br />UBI will not enable your IRD. If you wish to watch FTA channel then purchase a ture FTA IRD as the TARBS IRD is a PAY TV IRD. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I was away for about four months but that has nothing to do with U.B.I.'s decision to destroy my receiver. Just because that topic was discussed here earlier does not give a right to U.B.I. to damage private property.<br /><br />My receiver as well as all my personal belongings are not to be tampered without my permission. Not only it's common sense but also that's against the law.<br /><br />Australian Government provides assistance to all ethnic communities, including Ethnic Community TV, (like CH 31 in capital cities as well as SCTV) <br /><br />U.B.I. is responsible for disabling my receiver, no matter if it's a "true" FTA IRD or not. As far as I know, my receiver always worked fine with FTA until U.B.I. unlawfully disabled it.<br /><br />PS: Liski, do not try to edit this topic again!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Muazb:<br /><strong> ...if you want your MDS STB3100/3110 enabled for FTA then give UBI a call, give them your receivers details tell them you wish to use your Decoder for FTA on another satellite and they will enable it and give you 1 week before they disable it, this gives you time to have your unit re-enabled and used for another satellite... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Somebody lied to you, Muazb. Does U.B.I. told you that?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Boring:<br /><strong> I agree with YU4CFG. They have no right to disable a box which you have purchased outright. They dont own the satellite you are pointed at nor do they own the transponders , they rent them.<br /><br />This is the problem you get when you sell equipment outright.Well , TARBS did , but UBI took over the lot. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Boring, I'll quote you: "They (U.B.I.) dont own the satellite you are pointed at nor do they own the transponders" and I'll add, NOR DO THEY OWN OTHER PEOPLE's RECEIVERS.

The way I look at it is if you own any box and you are looking at any transport stream that you don't own and its stuffs your box up its stiff cheese mate. <br />Could you imaging this a Dreambox owner stealing Foxtel and foxtel find a way to send a ECM to shut the box down and now you have the shits because your box is dead and you want foxtel to replace your box.<br />Ask Phil he will tell you that most of the guys doing the whinging has modded boxes and because they have been shut down for good ( Box in the Bin) they have a hide to get into forums and have a big whinge. We see you have been away but I smell you have pirated box and now its dead. you are a Moderator for God sake thats why I suspect your box is chipped because I find It hard to believe that you didn't know about UBI box not to be used for FTA.<br />Sorry Mate thats all from me.

You just got the Shits like others that slowly the chipped boxes are dying mate. I hear it all the time.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Master V:<br /><strong> The STB 3100 and 3110 are a shit of a box for fta, don't even waste your time. Cheap boxs from $150 to the New model dreambox for over $800 ...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You're missing the point, mate. I'm not talking about the money here. There is no difference between $50 shitty reciver or $899 Dreambox if somebody makes it unusable without permission. I'm talking about damaging people's property.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Master V:<br /><strong> We were all warned not to use the TARBS junk on a UBI transponder to get FTA. No excuses if its dead. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I did not see nor hear any official warning from U.B.I. regarding the above. Have you?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by reuder:<br /><strong> ...but there must be other ways UBI can protect its product. So for someone woh has no idea about this, and they turn there dish towards B3 and enter a UBI freq, it's bad luck for them? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">SCTV is not an U.B.I. channel. My reciver was pointed at B-3 satellite (not owned by U.B.I.)<br /><br />No excuse for U.B.I. to prevent me (nor anyone else) from watching FTA channels on B-3 satellite using ANY reciver.

Wakeup if you have a chipped box and it dies and you are whinging you're incredible.<br />Phil has said this before and people have abused it. If you own your STB TARBS box you should have the right to have it turned on once and once only if you are stupid enough to come back to UBI you deserve to get shut down .<br />But what has been happening these guys with chipped boxes think they are exempt, their boxes shut down and then they ring UBI to get them unlocked and now UBI says no. <br />May i rest my case just get over it, again your a Moderator you must have know what happening with the UBI Signal.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by reuder:<br /><strong> Ok fair enough, but why aren't people told about this, either on the website or through a press release issued to the ethnic radio stations/newspapers?<br />Also, how does Tvplus block it's FTA signal to Tarbs STBs without disabling them? Last question, since we're talking about the Tarbs STB, who owns them?<br />Cheers </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Very good question, I look forward to see an answer.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by YU4CFG:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by reuder:<br /><strong> ...but there must be other ways UBI can protect its product. So for someone woh has no idea about this, and they turn there dish towards B3 and enter a UBI freq, it's bad luck for them? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">SCTV is not an U.B.I. channel. My reciver was pointed at B-3 satellite (not owned by U.B.I.)<br /><br />No excuse for U.B.I. to prevent me (nor anyone else) from watching FTA channels on B-3 satellite using ANY reciver. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">So you want UBI to Modify its transport stream just for you and others like you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

No need!<br /> <br /> <small>[ 03. September 2005, 04:47 PM: Message edited by: LISKI iTV ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by musicman:<br /><strong> The way I look at it is if you own any box and you are looking at any transport stream that you don't own and its stuffs your box up its stiff cheese mate. <br /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">As a viewer of FTA, I expect nobody to damage my receiver while watching FTA channels. Also, I've never heard of any viewer owning any transport stream... For example, if you drive your car and hit a big pothole (no warning road signs) and it totally destroys your car, would you call it "stiff cheese"???<br /><br />As a teacher, you should know better...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by musicman:<br /><strong> ...Could you imaging this a Dreambox owner stealing Foxtel and foxtel find a way to send a ECM to shut the box down and now you have the shits because your box is dead and you want foxtel to replace your box. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">There is HUGE difference here...<br />1. I was not stealing FTA channels.<br />2. My box wasn't moded.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by musicman:<br /><strong> ...Ask Phil he will tell you that most of the guys doing the whinging has modded boxes and because they have been shut down for good ( Box in the Bin) they have a hide to get into forums and have a big whinge. We see you have been away but I smell you have pirated box and now its dead. ...Sorry Mate thats all from me. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Don't you worry about Phil. No whinging here as well as no piracy. You've smelled it wrong. And I'm happy you're not learning my kids. <br /><br />BTW, I hope that's really all from you...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by YU4CFG:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Master V:<br /><strong> We were all warned not to use the TARBS junk on a UBI transponder to get FTA. No excuses if its dead. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I did not see nor hear any official warning from U.B.I. regarding the above. Have you? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">???????????????????? Who needs an official warning, forget UBI's web site, its 6 months behind, Forget the People who answer the Phones at UBI, this is where the lucky members of Aus-city get the real info that is up to date. I have told an un-countable amount of times to all to a point of madness, if your box still works and you don't want to Subscribe to UBI don't put your box on a UBI carrier, as it will be shut down and yet I banned a member because he asked the same question again after I explained it to him (He didn't believe me so he asked others) very clearly what to do and what not to do. I sometimes wonder why I'm here. I talk the truth and nobody listens. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

[/qb][/QUOTE]So you want UBI to Modify its transport stream just for you and others like you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> [/QB][/QUOTE]<br /><br />Well I don't think the transport stream is like this by accident. They could've done something more "legit tarbs STB owners" friendly. It's fine if this is the way they wanted to go, but WARN people. Aus-city does not count as a way to inform their customers.

I believe the main issue here is that if people point their good boxes at UBI transponders that the boxes will get screwed and will be useless on other satellites, even on the same satellite but different frequency.

Life if stiff the good always get affected by the bad<br />1/ My first car at 18 years old was a V8 with 300HP<br />Today in most states a young person under 25 now cannot buy a V8 or a Turbo car, young f.uckwits doing the wrong thing affect the others doing the right thing.<br />2/ Years ago you never locked your house and you didn't need a burgular alarm<br />Today you need to lock your house and you need a burgular alarm. Why? Fu.ck wits took care of that.<br />3 I should have a right to leave my car unlocked.<br />No you can't as you car might be stolen, Why? more F.uckwits<br /><br />What I'm trying to get at is the wrong are affecting the right, the good guys in everything we do today.<br />4/ Now we have UBI and its locked boxes. UBI unlocked them, people modded them, Pirates in Melbourne sold modded boxes by the train load, everyone laughing how easy it is to chip a TARBS<br />box and get all channels for nothing but now UBI are fighting back and like the above the Honest with a legal privately owned box is getting shut down.<br />But don't get me wrong I still believe each box should be unlocked ONCE,ONCE,ONCE,ONCE and if its locked again and you ring UBI and they check your box id and they see it was unlocked last week BAD LUCK!! UBI have other more inportant things to do than to TURN THE SAME BOX ON 6 TIMES in the last two weeks..<br />If you want more examples of the good affected by the bad look no further than whats happening in NEW ORLEANS today. Sick Bastards.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LISKI iTV:<br /><strong> Muazb,<br /><br />Your instructions are incorrect. UBI will not enable the IRD and give you 1 week to change the freq.<br /><br />UBI will no longer enable the IRD. If you don't want your IRD disabled don't tune to the UBI freq unless your going to subscribe to UBI. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Strange it did work for me and they gave me 1 week. I did mention that I would subscribe later on and I did but they said I had 1 week. How long ago did they stop doing this?

I can understand where everyone is comming from here, I can see why he's mad and I can see why people agree with UBI has done.<br /><br />The MDS unit is for MDS, UBI use MDS now thus they can lock out anyone who is not on their subscriber database. I think that is fair on their behalf because those who pirate the service are screwing the providers and subscribers. This only keeps both safe from pirates.<br /><br />On the other side of the fence I can see why someone gets upset when their MDS STB3100/3110 stops working EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT! PIRATING ANY SERVICES and ONLY use FTA. However again pirates steal the service using these units and this is what is screwing the providers (UBI) so they needed to do this counter measure. Anyone who tries to take this legally will find that stopping piracy will always be supported in a court of law and this will most certainly be the stance UBI will take.<br /><br />Like I said I sulked for a while and I did not pirate anything, my unit was from the TARBS days and when it went off I actually had my unit off, oonly when I used it to try and get FTA did I see IRD Disabled message. Liski said that what I said was untrue but its the truth when I tell you I called UBI and they told me I have 1 week to either subscribe or the box would disabled again...

MDS cant even be described as an encryption system , its more a point of annoyance than a serious attempt at encryption. UBI cannot stop Piracy just as Foxtel , Austar , Optus , TV Plus cannot stop Piracy. All Pay TV providers have to live with the fact that there will always be a percenatge of Piracy.<br /><br />Locking legit peoples boxes simply means they become useless to that person and they then sell them off cheaply. Organised gangs buy them up cheaply , modify them and resell them. " Box locking " wont stop them , it helps them by creating supply.<br /><br />Modified boxes are more popular than card sharing , simple plug and play.<br /><br />Just my opinion of course <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> . I also see both sides of the argument but dont agree with providers messing with privately owned property.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 03. September 2005, 09:13 PM: Message edited by: Boring ]</small>

You have a valid point there boring no encryption is uncompromisable Look at the Titanic it was unsinkable, look at Foxtels NDS its being card shared now via the Dreambox and when it comes back to MDS these dead boxes are being bought very cheaply and re- flashed. and chipped and going back out in circulation for big $$$. It will never Stop.

Yep, we could compare this with the Internet situation. People own computers and they browse sites that are free (like FTA sort of). If site operators abuse my computer simply because I access their free sites that's called hacking and it's illegal. I can't see why the same law cannot be applied to FTA broadcasters.

Some time ago, Foxtel use to have a bright logo at the corner of the screen. That burned few TV tubes/screens and Foxtel had to pay for all repairs...but not before many people made their voice heard.<br />Today, most of logos are transparent, animated or changing it's place on the screen.<br /><br />If U.B.I. disabled legit peoples boxes in process of fighting against piracy, it's only fair to enable legitimate receivers ASAP and problem is solved. Modded boxes are dead, original boxes are back on line, everybody's happy (except pirates)

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Nick:<br /><strong> Yep, we could compare this with the Internet situation. People own computers and they browse sites that are free (like FTA sort of). If site operators abuse my computer simply because I access their free sites that's called hacking and it's illegal. I can't see why the same law cannot be applied to FTA broadcasters. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Exactly !

Two years ago when clone cards were the go and dreamboxes were still dreaming Foxtel and Austar has a phase of shutting down more of its own subs than pirates. UBI will never stop hitting the boxes becauses sellers will be always be selling. All pay tv companies will never stop tryng to stamp out piracy but when you think they have the upper hand to stop it something else comes out on the market to counter the countermeasure. Look at the dreambox for a start softcams are coming out monthly all you have to do is look at the latest Divinci Image its enough to make Fox and Aust puke.

Hey YU4CFG<br /><br />I think the solution is easy enough, you sell piece of crap MDS unit to some pirate. You should get enough $ to buy a brand new cheap FTA unit.