how many people have had this experience....I know of two

one lad's psychiatrist promised him that he would never have to go back to his paternal family if he didnt want to....they only wanted him to visit...after much harrassment from him and the morons, he went, only to be told that he will be taken from me....and this was on every visit....and never be able to see the maternal family again....this was the bully paternal grandfather.....the money man.....who said often....money talks and bullshit walks....and the morons condoned this behaviour being said to these boys........

One thing I have noticed, especially when something is not "in the best interest of the child" is that the issue has to be pushed and pushed hard to be heard.

Irrefutable proof is always a good thing.

Also throwing terms that DoCS use back at them is a good move... Terms such as "in the best interest of the child" or "contribute to the child's emotional well being" or "consistent with child abuse".

One thing I have noticed is that more parents need to learn how to "talk the talk".

The ability to talk the talk is a good way to subtly manipulate DoCS to a parent's advantage.

Every contact that a parent has with a DoCS worker, whether it's with a CSO a CSSO or whomever, notes are being made. They are noting down the parent's attitude, demeanor, behaviour, everything.

Above all, one basic rule of thumb with DoCS is a parent's "ability and willingness to change" and their "ability to maintain sustainable change".

If parents use the same terms and phrases that DoCS workers use, not only do they show DoCS workers that they are concerned solely about what is in the best interest of their child, but they give the DoCS worker the impression that everything that the CSO has done has been "embraced" by the parent.

It strokes the ego of the DoCS worker (they're doing their job and it's working!!) and is an advantage in the case.

mmmmmmmmm its a shame they havent a clue what they are talking about........they used to come to me in threes ...... anyine would think they had nothing better to do...they certainly had no cause, and all their visits did was further traumatise them.....then they would say it was me doing it to them....but no charges against the father....the golden boy who used to grab handbags off old ladies in the street and send his partner out to prostitute herself...or Daddy would take the boys and use his Queens counsellors against us all....nice people eh...and the morons allowed this behaviour....

a forensic psychologist , with dog tags at the end of his name, after ten minutes with a traumatised woman ( for two yrs by the morons) makes a ten minute decision that, that person....after looking after and trying to normalise continually traumatised children with forced visits, including to the jail...deemed her as not fit to be with her grandsons.....boy has he got a headache coming to him....the weak dolt.

Word of advice... Never go near a professional who is in the pocket of DoCS.

this moron came on the scene after they abducted them........and in deceit......

Yep that is usually the way.

But the best thing to do if DoCS want a parent to be assessed by somebody is to refuse to be assessed by anyone that DoCS recommends.

Especially if DoCS are trying to seek some kind of order.

They "report shop". DoCS will send a person to a professional whom they know will write a report that they can use to their favour in the court room.

They don't like it if a parent stands up and declares that they want another person to assess them and write the report... But they can't deny it.

It is a sad sad scenario when a supposed psychologist puts his own monetary interests before that of the child......one told me that if he didnt do what they say they would cut work for him......what hope does anyone have under these circumstances......

Same experience, same thoughts, agree with you totally, thank God I'm not alone...I really thought I was being very paranoid...

and how many more are they responsible for......psychiatry is a dangerous practise.....simply because those using it are very corruptable.....they are in actuality barbaric

That remind me of using a centrelink ring in Doctor.

the behavioural programs in universaties do nothing about what is gooing on either....i guess the gov would cut their funds if they reared up ......

It's true that behavioural programs do nothing about what is going on - but I know of at least one that will go into bat for the parent in court if need be... From a professional point of view of course.

I'm not sure if these programs at universities are worried about losing government funding or worried about losing referrals for clients.

I was involved with a research based therapy program at Griffith Uni and I had a conversation with the therapist who was working with my daughter and I.

Given that this program was research based and parents were required to fill out questionnaires every few months as part of the research - I was concerned about the accuracy of the research data that was being gathered given that I was a parent who had a child in care and the majority of the data coming from me was either historical or unknown.

I had a good chat with the therapist and he said that about 60% of their clients are DoCS referred and that their data collection department takes that into consideration when tallying results.

well nothing like using traumatised families for their own gain is there....

Oh heck no.

Unfortunately (for DoCS) the worst thing they could get from my involvement with PCIT was a short list of all the appointments that I was either late for or missed. And this was during a time that I was either unable to attend due to a spate of dental issues or my house was flooded with rain water.

The best thing they could dredge up was a commitment issue... My ability to commit to the program.

Unfortunately it's somewhat difficult to commit to something when you are going through a long series of specialist, dentist and denture clinic appointments and trying to keep your house dry in between.

I believe that they expected me to dose myself up with strong pain killers and continuously take my 2 remaining children to the hospital every other day to have casts put on their limbs due to constantly slipping on wet surfaces IN my home and breaking bones.

Of course - I would have been an irresponsible parent for ignoring the HEALTH ISSUE in my home. And it would have somehow been my fault that I allowed my house to flood and cause injury to my children.

And if one of my girls who are in care was to be injured in my home due to flood water - wouldn't that rain hellfire and brimstone!!!

They totally ignored the fact that my involvement with the program was MY idea - not theirs. But they took it upon themselves to stick their noses in... As they do.

Fortunately for me the therapists knew that my involvement was solely due to my own want and need. So I had that advantage.

the creeps are WAY OUT OF LINE

LOL

How long did it take you to work that out?

my ignorance in the antics of any gov dept was lost many years ago....the depth of their illegal activities is laughable to say the least.......

A lot of their antics are repetitive - so can be preempted. Parents can anticipate the "what next" factor.

But parents who are new to the systems BS walk in thinking that working with DoCS will make everything OK - except they soon learn that they don't get to work "with" them and by the time they've worked it out they're 3 solicitors down, denied Legal Aid and looking for support just to keep their chins up.

these are the dolts that aid and abet the abuse.....psychologists.....forensic psychologists....what fine examples of barbaric practises they give...... gov money more important to them never mind the child and family unit ......and a corrupt psychologist ought to be struck from the register.....they are the biggest misfits of society.

The child and family unit doesn't matter... It can be fixed!

That's the attitude... It can be fixed.

Once the child is returned home, it can be fixed. The parent/s can get lots of lovely counseling for themselves and their child. The child can have years of therapy and other medical help.

It's all good!

More often than not the family ends up worse off emotionally and physically than they ever were before the child was taken.

And it's up to the parent/s to put all the pieces of the puzzle back together and support their child and recover from all the impact it's caused... While still maintaining any other children, running a household, holding down a job and trying to remain sane.

I spoke with a member of the lost generation recently....he is unable to find the support groups set up by gov .....i wonder if they really exist, and why are these people unable to find out where they are....that to me is irrepairable damage....a taste of what is coming for our future lost generations.....not a very promising prospect is it...it would seem that the media surely play to their games of deceit....and of course it's the money mongrels that own the papers isnt it...... It would be interesting to know how many psychs are working with the Aboriginal people within the gov invasion on them.....

Were support groups created? I know I'm showing my ignorance, but I really have no idea.

That's outrageous if support systems were to be put in place but either have not been implemented or are not widely advertised through posters or however.

In my opinion it sounds like nothing more than lip service and empty promises... Anything to make somebody look good.

The only posters I have seen about indigenous children are ones in DoCS offices that say "Keeping Our Mob Together" (or something similar) and they're in regard to foster care.

There should be posters in community centres and Cenrelink offices and all manner of other things leading people in the right direction.

well , my friend asked me and he is in canberra.....but asked if there was in redfern...he couldnt find any.....Docsniper said he thought there was one in townsville...thats a hell of a long way away.....I think that maybe it is all just verbal diarrhoea from the gov....in an effort to dupe the public that there are things put in place for them....when it isnt.....

Yeah that's pretty much what I meant too.

Anything that makes them look good.

Hi,

I have seen reports done by psychiatrists and psychologists who docs employed to undertake the task of assessing the child's parent which condemed the parent yet when the parent got an independent report done by other professionals of the same standing the report was in total conflict of what the docs chosen professional wrote? Hmmm? Strange that.

I personally went and saw this docs' chosen psychologist who then proceded to write absolute terrible stuff about me 'mother has obvious psychological problems...'(and with a glowing report of the father) but when I went to see a completely independent psychologist he did psychological testing on me and found I was 'normal' and also said quite plainly that if the father wanted more access and the child was born and lived in Queensland; than like any normal father he would move up here and get work etc. This comment was what I always thought but after this professional was gunning me down I thought i better be open minded and get an independent assessment and if something was pointed out then I better work on it.

Use reasonable doubt - but what if I am telling you the truth?

like I said they use those forensic psychologists for their own gain.....because they are so pathetic they need an income from gov to help them feel important....but I stay strip them of their tags and they wouldnt get a job anywhere......psychology is dangerous in the wrong hands....and shame on the psychologists that have been aware of these antics and not spoken out.....that fact makes you all as bad as the culprits.

I underwent a Psycho-Social assessment in late 2006.

They wanted to send me to some guy in Brisbane, but by this time I'd found all I needed to know about choosing my own "man".

I refused to go and see "their" man and put my own man's name on the table. They agreed - pending funding of course.

I gave them no choice, I said it was my guy or no assessment.

It took about 2 months to get funding approved from the over budget office.

I went to see the guy of my choice and it was very interesting.

Not only was he a single parent, but he was anti-DoCS as well.

He refused to read the departmental history DoCS had sent him... He makes it a rule to not read that at all for any client.

When his report came out, DoCS didn't like it one bit!

They balked at paying his bill because they "didn't get what they paid for".

What they didn't get was a written essay repeating their departmental history and backing them up!

HAHAHAHAHAHA rainbowchaser ...THAT SAYS IT ALL DOESNT IT LOL

Absobloodylutely!

Honestly, when I heard that I thought that I had heard everything.

I must add that the "Didn't get what we paid for" comment was followed by a jab about him not reading the departmental history.

hey you forensic psychs and fraudulent childrens psychs and academic dolts....im going to petition on your doorstep......you may take your addy off the net, but you wont get rid of me....youre about to be truely exposed for what you are, child abusers, kidnappers, corrupted bigots.
and watch the people come out in the open....you too will be on the dole cue....where you ought to be...
HELL HATH NO FURY THAN A WOMAN SCORNED.....

yep, wait til the youth start talking......it is so good to see people coming together in this issue...... I guess , all time is doing is really cementing their demise........

HAVE ANY OF YOU ACADEMIC PSYCH DOLTS EVER CONSIDERED LOOKING PAST THE BARBARIC PRACTISES OF YOUR PSYCHIATRIC ANALYSES AND CAUGHT UP WITH THE TIMES TO LOOK AT THE SCIENCE OF DIANETICS.....
FAR LESS BRUTAL AND MORE IN LINE WITH THE ANCIENT TEACHINGS........OR DOES PSYCHOLOGY SUIT YOUR GREEDY CRUEL BIASED NEEDS AND YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS?????

My Daughter is going for her first assessment tomorrow, without me, with these psychologists as a result from the court order. I have my appointment Starting Monday. I am not allowed to take her or be there in case I persuade her in any way.

The most awful Docs worker is picking her up, and taking her there. The have told me they are recording the session, and putting it on a DVD for court.

My daughter is pooping herself, she is really worried as she knows they change and alter what was said. Even possible that they edit the DVD recording. My hands are tied as I have been ordered to do this by the courts.

I'm sure it's not illegal for your dtr to take a neutral support person with her...I'm very sure they can't stop that....start looking for someone your dtr wants in there with her...if she demands it, they have no choice but to allow it or your dtr can refuse to go in there.

It's basic rights of every human especially that of children...the same for you, have a support person with you...it's allowed!

Demand it, your dtr can demand it and do so...

I waited for my lawyer to phone back to advise me if I can have someone else attend and she didnt get back to me in time, well my daughter went for the assessment and loved them, not only were they grooming her but they twisted things, and they also asked her to make the drawing, she refused, so they made one and left the faces out, asking her to complete the faces of our family... Well it didnt go to well, Monday is my time, and this time im not going to be nice about it. I will be recording all of mine also...

We seem to have a lawyer that is good, but not reliable. Why, cause its funded by legal aid. If we have a spare 20 odd thousand and employed that same lawyer, she would be kissing our butts and doing anything at anytime to please.

The longer they drag out the Issue, the more then get. Un logical thinking, cos, they cant see the bigger picture of that compensation.

Any lawyer that took this on, And we won.
Not only will that lawyer and his firm be rich, but also very famous.
Now!!!!, where are these lawyers ?.

Agree, maybe we should email this site to all the lawyers we can find....???????????????

lo, been there and done that, but wouldnt hurt you doing it also, when they get more then one from others,chances are, They look.