Fred, No, not dumb people, just people that don't understand technology.<br />Yes I expected this, maybe someone at TV plus told all that there is a possibility that UBI will lose the Balkans channels and this way they are getting ready for TV plus.<br />The Dreambox works lovely on FTA and when the encryption kicks in nothing will change, forget the latency crap they have tried to shorten the timing and all it effect is the Genuine Customers, the Latency from the uplink to downlink is a bit on the nose for them.<br />By the way, just to let all know these people that run these servers are making plenty of money, Look at the Mod shop in WA, they had thousands on their networks and charging you for it, could you imagine being late for your Subscription Payment?, which was around 10 Bucks a month for all. They shut your ip for your box off, thats not bad for all of fox/aust and like I said some had sky too, but now that WMI and TV plus are joining the KU circus in Irdeto2 using a small dish this will be a problem.<br />The big Card Servers are not the problem, its the individial ones that will pop up by the droves. See a typical Son with a bit of brains setting up his Mum and DAD plus all the Brothers and sisters in-laws and outlaws say around 10 installations, one subscribes, the other nine are card shared ( the first thing you do is park their box because after you use a dreambox, everything else is crap for use for the original sub card) so its simple maths. Say it costs you for a TV plus sub for one year at $60 per month Multiplied by 12 months thats $720 per year divided by 12 thats $72 per year thats not bad!.<br />By the way, pay tv providers have tried to stop this but as quick as they scratched their head, the authors are producing new soft cams for the images at a rate of 1 every two weeks. Some guys have up to 10 different cams on a typical dreambox and play with them to see if there are any improvements.